talk.kiezburn.org
Fri 31 Jan 2020 12:26PM

Radical Tickets: Request for changes

CM Callum Macdonald Public Seen by 155

The original thread was getting way too long to keep track. This thread is to track any requested changes. Here's a short summary of the ticket sale:

  • Sale launches officially 14 Feb in tandem with the location decision

    • Soft launch earlier

  • Each participant can specify their own price from €1

  • The finance lead will specify a minimum viable budget for the event

  • Once the location decision is made, we'll set how many tickets we can sell in this process

  • All or nothing crowdfunding mechanic

  • Click here for the demo of the checkout process

If you wish to request any changes to the process, please share them below. The idea is to focus on specific and actionable requests.

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Keegan Mon 3 Feb 2020 12:05AM

I really like the different ticket levels. It looks like there will be some set prices and then people choose which of that they want, is it going to stick like that or can people set their specific prices?

We do something very similar at burning nest but the low-income tickets are applied for 20% of our population with an average of 50 pounds. We plan our budget on people paying the normal price and then anything on top where people pay in higher then goes towards more arts and innovation projects.

Would it be possible to have:

A way that will calculate how many tickets are left and what the average price required is to meet our targets?

Have a system where people can increase their amount throughout the process, or in the following week so we meet the target?

CM

Callum Macdonald Sat 1 Feb 2020 3:13PM

Pause

I'm taking a step back from this for a while, I've posted the full story here:

https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/I2bGpV09/pausing-the-radical-ticket-sale-initiative

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Benjamin Langholz Sat 1 Feb 2020 2:12AM

This is creative but seems super unlikely to happen 99% of the time and makes the system more complicated.

CM

Callum Macdonald Fri 31 Jan 2020 10:40PM

@Marian interesting feedback. I think to make the ticket amount changeable. So people can come back later and update their price. We could also decide at the deadline to extend if we don’t get enough, probably doesn’t need to be defined in advance, also an interesting idea. 👍

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Marian Fri 31 Jan 2020 6:53PM

Request:
Add a week or so after the end of the sale in which contributors can raise their contribution - in case we didnt reach the funding goal.

Why:
Two crucial differences between the proposes process and crowdfunding:
1) In Crowdfunding you usually have no limit on how many people can contribute (here it is 1000 - the amount of available tickets)
2) In Crowdfunding you can usually contribute multiple times (here: once)

In a Crowdfundign Campaings you have, as a supporter, several options if you see that the funding goal is in danger of not getting reached:
- Contribute again/more
- Help reaching more people who contribute

In my experience much of the dynamic of Crowdfunding Campaigns stems from these possibilities. A pattern that happens a lot is that as much as half of the funding sum is collected in the last week/close before deadline, because people choose to use these possibilities (and because of increased communication). With the request, we could introduce one of those possibilities and make it more likely that we reach the goal.

For me personally the I am willing to give depends a lot on how critical my contribution is to making the event happen which depends on how much we collect.

How:
Not sure. Could either be actually changing what people initially indicated as their ticket price. Or maybe just as a donation round, that counts into the "crowdfunding".

Alternative:
Make everybody indicate two ticket prices
1) Price that feels perfectly comfortable
2) Prive I'd be willing to give if the event depends on it.

Maybe the alternative is even easier to implement and achieves the same goal.


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Benjamin Langholz Sat 1 Feb 2020 2:16AM

I think If anything is to be done here I think @Alina, also known as Milda! ‘S idea in the other thread of the progress bar to a full event is likely the most effective way to encourage higher contribution. I would volunteer to quickly design this, but it’s likely pretty obvious. As they adjust their preferred ticket price they could see how this effects the overall goal.

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David Fri 31 Jan 2020 6:18PM

Requests:

  • If people choose the freely set ticket price, it would be very nice to also have a comment field, where people are asked how they get to the number that they will actually pay. This serves them to think more about how much they give, and it gives us valuable insight in how people perceive and choose how much they give. ("Please share with us why you choose this level of contribution:")

  • "Low income" implemented at 80 EUR. Lower values can always easily be chosen with the field below.

CM

Callum Macdonald Fri 31 Jan 2020 1:59PM

@Franzi As I understand it, and what I shared with @Alexxx, is that this is a totally standard ticket sale with the following differences:

  • Each participant chooses their own ticket price

  • If the total ticket prices added together don't reach a minimum, nobody pays anything

  • At the time of sale, tickets are non transferrable, with the proviso that this might change

Tax wise, etc, there's no change to previous years. Arguably the ticket sale perhaps happens a bit earlier in the year, but there's no legal / tax implication of that which I'm aware of.

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Franzi Fri 31 Jan 2020 1:05PM

Hey @Callum Macdonald, @Alexxx mentioned yesterday that you are sharing with him this detailed document that he will discuss with the Steuerberater. Can you please also share this with me? I am happy to look through it and give it a structured legal review

CM

Callum Macdonald Fri 31 Jan 2020 12:31PM

@Franzi @Jan Thomas I understand you guys have some experience with regards to legal matters. If you wish to request any specific changes to the ticket process, please share them here and I'll do my best to integrate them. The ticket sale is essentially identical to previous years, just earlier, and with each participant setting their own price.