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SITE LIAISON – Freiland & Ämter

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Questions about our cooperation with Freiland? You need basic information on infrastructure or want to check something with the authorities? Let's find our way through the location & bureaucracy jungle in this thread!

Registration with the Amt is delayed this year – they have a lot on their plate at the moment, and would like more clarity with the Corona regulations first. All the better that our KB date has been moved to mid-August. Until then, we are still clarifying our contract, important dates and the sound and hygiene concept.

Update: We handed in all info and permit is expected on Friday, July 30! 🎉

Talk to: @Jan Thomas @Annette @Kate



Next up

19-25 July

  • check LVO

  • check documents

  • get feedback

@Jan Thomas @Annette @Kate

Wed 21 July

Call with Freiland

@Kate @Annette

Mon, 26 July

Submit application

@Annette

Thu, 29 July

Call with Freiland

@Annette @Kate

Fri, 30 July

Talk to Bürgermeister

@Jan Thomas

tbd

Talk to Ordnungsamt (Noise complaints, police)

Independent mediator not very likely, how to measure?

tbd

Talk to the neighbours

Flyers

Sat, 7 August

Build starts

Wed, 11 August

Kiez Burn starts Thu

Check fire regulations with Amt @Purzel

Gas cookers possible? Update here



Docs for permit application


Site Map 2021

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Annette Mon 28 Jun 2021 12:37PM

I arranged it last time. It is the smithman of the village and the tents are most probably at the castle. The also rent Bierbänke & Biertische. I will not organise it this time, but it is an easy job to contact him and figure out the transport. UnderWorld will not take one of the tents this year.

JT

Jan Thomas Tue 29 Jun 2021 7:10AM

Already aligned about it with @Natacha Kromatik - we have already called the guy and confirmed that we have the tents again.

M

Mareike Tue 29 Jun 2021 8:00AM

yey! this was fast, we just talked about it yesterday in KORG! any use for the tent yet? Gate would be interested to provide shade for volunteers (and waiting people) ⛅

JT

Jan Thomas Tue 29 Jun 2021 8:10AM

There are 3 tents of same size/dimensions - and yes I understand Natacha indicated that one is for gate, Kinderkiez has been renting one for the past years and wants one again - which leaves one tent for another use.

M

Mareike Tue 29 Jun 2021 8:11AM

perfect! thanks Jan and Natacha!

JT

Jan Thomas Thu 1 Jul 2021 7:21AM

It's on the list of things we've agreed with them where we'll likely follow their approach. In previous years they had grey water trailers from a local farmer and it wasn't confirmed yet that this will happen again - but it's the preferred solution. This means we'd be ordering a pump-out of these which can be done with a few weeks notice from GKU (local water body, who we also pay for our fresh water connection).

AK

Alex Kaos Sat 31 Jul 2021 7:52AM

Site tour is always great.

I second CJ's concerned about letting local randoms on site. Escorting them around the site seems like a time-intensive commitment. Having said that, them randomly being on site is much worse than us saying, "Ok we'll give you a half hour tour". What do we do if they decide to slip away from the Ranger and just join in the Burn?

I think the letterbox dropping is great actually. It may prime the handful that can't wait to drop a complaint, but imo they are completely unappeasable. Gaining the support of the remaining fence-sitters by inviting them around officially is the best way to improve our 'netto' relations with the locals.

(Who paid for previous letterbox dropping costs, printing + paper etc? It's not in the budget! I think that's a valid KB expense)

M

Mareike Sat 31 Jul 2021 5:33PM

It does feel strange to me to just let villagers in whenever they feel like it, but I still would agree to rather be extra nice to them than having to start a discussion with them at the gate and potentially leaving them even more annoyed. We could say something like "well uuuuuusually we don't let people in, but you seem super nice and friendly so wait a sec until one of our rangers can give you a quick tour". I do vote for not letting them in alone but calling the rangers or even just a burner who is around and willing to do it (I remember in 2018 this happened and one Monkey showed the villager around and had a nice talk with him until he left again). Letters and site tour sound great to me!🙂

JT

Jan Thomas Tue 9 Feb 2021 10:31AM

Thanks Kate & Quentin! Yeah totally agree that we don't need #2 at this point - and even for #1 this is not just up to us, but something that we also get strict guidelines for from the Amt. Attached is what these guidelines were in 2019 - please note that these values apply at the surrounding villages, i.e. at the place where someone might be disturbed by our event. This is incredibly volatile as it changes all the time with weather & wind, so it would probably make sense to still established some fixed guidelines of what noise level we want to allow at our stages - and possibly even put a physical limitation in place like a limiter on the system, which prevents anyone from turning it up more when in the mood. This was an issue in 2019 - and there was also interest from KiezBurn e.V. to invest into technology if necessary and if it allows us to run the event without needing a team of people to be constantly measuring sounds and turning things down during the event. Lots to discuss and figure out here ;-)

Q

Quentin Mon 8 Feb 2021 9:49PM

Thanks Kate for the feedback from the call with Freiland :)

The way I see the sound concept is in 2 parts:

1/ The 'Protocol', defining basically where, when and how loud do we play music during that week.

2/ How do concretely apply that protocol before and during the event.

If I understand you well, 1/ should be done rather soon, in order to move the wheels with Freiland and the permit topic.

My idea is to have some exchange with sound camps leads, gather all feedbacks from last year discussion and from the survey, align with Site liaison team & Site planning team. Then, make a proposal on Talk that the community can discuss, and come to a final draft by end of Feb/begginning of March.

Would that be good for you timewise?

It would be good to keep it as a draft, with some big principles already agreed at this stage, but keeping it flexible enough in order to finalize it when the whole community and Kiez leads really start to get into planning mode.

I believe the 2/ can be treated at a later stage, when we get closer to the event and start to be more concrete. (The event is still in more than 6 months :))

If anyone wanna support that process, please reach out :)

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