Fire Safety
Feel free to discuss and ask anything about Fire safety and the company that guards our outside parameters.
I hereby set the final rules for using a gas cooker while kiezburn, given that we end up with the expexted fire hazard level of 4 or 5.
-The gas cooker need to have a stable standing itself. A lot of the more simple versions are shaped like a tower, together with a pot of food, this will be to wobbly and likely to tip over. Those won´t be allowed.
-It needs to be on a normal height table (to have it far from the ground) that has a stable standing (no clumsy hippie can tip it over).
-A valid fireextinguisher needs to stand next to it. It needs to have at least 6l and must be placed visible and easible accessible. If you don't get a new one for 2021, please make sure that they are still valid (usually 2 years)
All those requirements will be checked and enforced.
Free campers
Kieze (registered theme camps) register with the org and have a fixed site placement before the event. This facilitates the Safety Lead and Fire Lead etc. to easily follow the map to each Kiez to verify the safety of their kitchen setup and check each one off of a list. Additionally, the Fire Department has requested that the org put 1000L of non-drinking water in containers within reach of a standard sized fire hose of every kitchen or fire usage, which is logistically feasible and easy for the org to optimize for Kieze because because we know where they will be.
For free campers, this situation is quite different because typically the org has little to no insight into who and what is going on in the free campers area. If you are a free camper and you intend to build a kitchen on-site according to the rules above, please also consider these differences between free campers and Kieze, and how that impacts your safety and the safety of the event, as well as the additional responsibility it adds to the org. We will potentially have up to 400 free campers this year at Kiez Burn, which is a lot of people and a huge safety concern. You are encouraged, for instance, to reach out to the Fire Lead @Purzel and discuss your fire/safety plans with him. It would be good to reach out to the Safety Lead who will be doing the kitchen checks and maybe schedule a time or otherwise organize with them a way for them to come and verify the safety of your kitchen. It might be good to check with the Site Planning Lead @Cairn (Clément) to know where critical resources will be placed (like these 1000L water containers) so that you can at least try to build your kitchen in close proximity to them. Please keep in mind that Kiez Burn is not like commercial festivals where a central org plans and prepares all the necessary infrastructure and simply communicates to the participants where these resources are available. Instead the baseline expectation is that all participants are co-creators of the event and we all participate together in making the event happen, which means both making it fun and making it safe!
Purzel Thu 24 Jun 2021 12:37PM
Yes, a Bierzeltgarniturtisch (I don´t know the english word) I consider dodgy in terms of stable stand.
It will be a hassle to check on this in the free camping area but maybe I can get support from wanderers @Jessie
Sophie Wed 28 Jul 2021 1:17PM
We have a camper with a "Heckküche" installed in the trunk that you pull out on a very stable drawer. It runs on gas, is as high as a normal table and we can get a fire extinguisher. however, when you cook, you are not inside the van. Is this still in line with the proposed fire safety measures?
Julian Fri 23 Jul 2021 1:47PM
@Purzel Fire extinguisher topic
Can you please confirm that a new 6KG ABC powder Fire extinguisher from Bauhaus is fine?
My doubts are: it's 6kg and not 6L, and there is no "check" certificate. It's just new and factory checked.
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CJ Yetman Thu 8 Jul 2021 3:22PM
please also read and consider the info and suggestions in this thread: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/Nj7rnJMc/free-campers-alone-together-co-creation-coordination
@purzel maybe we can merge some of this info?
Vlnolam Thu 1 Jul 2021 10:21AM
Ok. For everyone, also for unregistered camps vulgo freecampers?
Jan-Christian Kaspareit Thu 24 Jun 2021 12:26PM
This means that the Koffer-style gas cookers would be allowed if placed on a solid table? These things are cheap and easy to bring for free campers as well.
So just the table + fire-extinguisher problem remains, but even this should be possible to arrange for free campers.
Purzel Thu 24 Jun 2021 12:04PM
I hereby set the final rules for using a gas cooker while kiezburn, given that we end up with the expexted fire hazard level of 4 or 5.
-The gas cooker need to have a stable standing itself. A lot of the more simple versions are shaped like a tower, together with a pot of food, this will be to wobbly and likely to tip over. Those won´t be allowed.
-It needs to be on a normal height table (to have it far from the ground) that has a stable standing (no clumsy hippie can tip it over).
-A valid fireextinguisher needs to stand next to it. It needs to have at least 6l and must be placed visible and easible accessible. If you don't get a new one for 2021, please make sure that they are still valid (usually 2 years)
All those requirements will be checked and enforced.
@Nora Flora
@Erin Jeavons-Fellows
@Veroca R. Sala
@Stefan Rothenhausler
@Kate The FD will follow the Amt, deciding if this is approvable on the official side, we might have to comunicate with them about those rules and wether they allow us to use gas cooker under those restrictions.
(I´m ready to answer follow up questions only here on Talk, as my other communication channels are already swamped with KB buisness)
Purzel Mon 21 Jun 2021 8:13PM
After talking to the Fire Marshalls during Spark, we will most likely have to ban any gas cookers for free camper based on the fire level (4 or 5) that is expected in august.
We need to put out the word ASAP and broadly to inform the free campers about it as it will have a big impact on self reliance for them. By informing them early it gives them the chance to look for a camp, fund a camp or start a initiative for a free camper comunal kitchen.
@Erin Jeavons-Fellows
@Nora Flora
@Veroca R. Sala
Gas cooker beeing used in camps are fine as they'll have a decent kitschen (stable table, fire extingiusher and such)
I wonder how we can comunicate it to avoid misunderstandings and discussions on site and whether we should inform camps as well that their kitchen needs to align a certain standard.
Jan-Christian Kaspareit · Thu 24 Jun 2021 1:05PM
I agree with you. I would not consider a "beer tent table" solid.
But it's not too hard to build a solid table, eg. screw an OSB board on top of some pallets. Could be a nice project for a small camp located around the freecamping area.
Add some spices and kitchen utensils and this would be a really cool camp :-)