talk.kiezburn.org
July 5th, 2021 14:36

Free Campers Alone Together! Co-creation & Coordination

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🔥Welcome, Welcome free campers,

Here we facilitate some right @tags as guidance after we have seen a question on Facebook regarding getting together some free campers to start a kitchen.

This space is for you to discuss, assemble, unite or start fun rivalries. However, you choose. I am an ex-free camper so will try to answer some questions for you too if I can.

📌How you may Build a basic and approved kitchen?

  • Fridges (rental, second hand)

  • Pavillon/party tent (dry kitchen area)

  • Fire Extinguisher

  • Tables and benches ( there are some rentals around Freiland, try contacting @Natacha Kromatik if you need to rent tables and benches! larger group order could give a better price!

  • gas bottle

  • Kitchen Burner.

  • something else?

  • list

  • here

📌How many people do you need?

  • Invite candidates to this thread to open discussions and find a driver, a "builder" participant willing to bring kitchen materials ( pans and pots for instance) etc.

  • You could create a kitchen for 5/20/30/40 ( more than that is a bit chaotic perhaps)

📌Logistics?

  • Request advice on the comments of this thread to find out Where to get good rental prices. Moderators will take you where you need to go or tag the people you need to talk to.

  • Share transport of materials by coordinating with other Kieze on this Kieze Sharing transport thread

  • If you cant find a solution to transport your kitchen set up for the brand new kieze contact @Martin K Maybe he can help you maybe he cannot!

📌How does the kitchen get power and water?

Tag @Sven Dudink, our power and water Realizer. Oh yes, you need to pay for that power by the way, but costs can be split among all members of the free campers Zweck-Kiez

📌Placement of the Kitchen:

There are a lot of very cool places we could assign to your kitchen, that, plus all you put around it (tents), will form a camp!!! @Cairn (Clément) is your go-to guy here.

📌Isn't that almost as much effort as creating a proper camp?

Good thinking! After going through this hassle, why not make this fun and create a camp?
On top of the deeper experience, this also enables you to get a sweet spot on site, that some would consider nicer than being in the field next to the parking.

You can find more information on how to create a camp and people to reach out to with questions in the Kieze registration and facilitation thread here.


Some folk you may need to know or speak to:

Site Planning - to find placement for your kitchen

@Cairn (Clément)

Toilets -

@Jack @Dan de Lion! @Erez

Water & Power

@Sven Dudink

Fire / Security

@Purzel

Relevant Talk groups for you:

(you must "join" the groups to participate)


Feel free to add more relevant info to this Post as you see fit.

Purzel

Purzel August 17th, 2021 14:00

Sorry by the time you wrote this I was already on site and fully emerged in burning and building but I hope you had a great burn nonetheless ❤

Curro the shit ninja

Curro the shit ninja August 10th, 2021 14:09

Hi @Purzel, after the rain and the great news about using gas cookers, is it still needed for RVs to have a 6L fire extinguisher to be able to cook or that rule is not longer relevant? Thank you!

J

Joa August 7th, 2021 07:43

Hey everybody, my and my friend spontaneously got tickets. How about organizing as free campers? Is there a group to participate planning? cause we would love to group up with more wonderful people.

Sven Dudink

Sven Dudink July 30th, 2021 08:17

Hi @Jenny your peak power is what you pay, if your peak power is 2KW you will pay 150 euro, i wouls be quick qith registering your camp, im not sure if and how long you can still register new camps @Cairn (Clément) maybe you know more ?

J

Jenny July 30th, 2021 08:08

Hello, we are a group of Free Campers wanting to do a small camp of 5 people and will be supported by a camper. We wanted to double check the power costs. Is it be correct that in case we use a fridge during the festival (say 0.5-2 Kilowatt in 5 days) it would cost us around 30-170 euros? or let´s say 150 euros for the whole time? @Sven Dudink

Selina

Selina July 19th, 2021 13:13

Hey, me and my friend would like to team up with the free camper-kitchen. But actually we have no idea how to connect and what's going on :) How can we help? We don't have a car but would be happy to support with building, planning, shopping ...

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala July 10th, 2021 09:15

hey, awesome. The Post about freecampers united is meant to go out on Monday Evening (6pm) this is a draft of how the post will look like, im happy to receive a more accurate copy from you @Cairn (Clément) . The link in the post is taking people to this very thread. Maybe even this thread could have some sort of nice guidance already in it.

Cairn (Clément)

Cairn (Clément) July 10th, 2021 09:07

I think making an announcement on this is a great idea. I'd even go further and underline the easiness to make the leap from united free campers to camping on a nice spot on site (we have so much cool space left!).
Are you the one making these kind of announcements Vero? Happy to help create a post for FB and Telegram if wanted.
I would like to volunteer to answer potential questions / hesitations that united free campers may have, although having more that one person could provide more insightful answers.

Purzel

Purzel July 9th, 2021 18:22

I'll whip up some words concerning fire and First aid for your announcement thread, I should be able to get it done tomorrow.

CJ Yetman

CJ Yetman July 9th, 2021 10:22

FYI... at least in regards to the kitchen thing, I've edited in my thoughts about free campers building kitchens with the original post here: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/e7tCUY4X/fire-safety-and-security-

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala July 9th, 2021 09:59

Do we want an announcement about this to encourage freecampers?

For that purpose and to make the announcement more effective could I @Bee change a bit the initial wording of the thread to better link people here and make users feel they are in the right place after clicking.?

Id like to add the kieze sharing transport thread here as well

Maybe adding the lieze FAQ will help (such a wonderfull creation from Erin ❤️)

The kieze registration ends 6th of August.

If I don't misunderstand the idea behind this is to better I vite them to register but approaching differently, No?

Or maybe iam completely off...

Purzel

Purzel July 6th, 2021 09:03

I'm not often online on fb, otherwise I would get involved in discussions concerning my area. If anyone ends up in those, maybe just link the talk channel for fire safety rules, that might also help in getting people more involved in talk 😊

CJ Yetman

CJ Yetman July 6th, 2021 07:59

To be clear, I’m not unilaterally setting any rules with my FB replies. I am trying to clarify for people 1. why there was messaging about possibly not having fires in the free camp area, while it is presumably being allowed in camps, and 2. realistically what I see are the real logistical safety challenges of doing it, so that people understand their responsibility in that and the responsibility it adds to the org.

walto

walto July 6th, 2021 07:51

CJ seems to express an opposing opinion. It might be good to align clearly on what the expectations are towards free campers, because you risk lots of discussions on site if there is any kind of vagueness.

CJ on Facebook seems to imply that kitchens need to be placed, so they can only be part of a camp: Part of the reason there’s been messaging about there being no open fires in the free camping area is because there is a safety check for each camp where someone will go and verify that their kitchen setup is sufficient and safe. If free campers also make their own kitchens, then this critical step will not get done, because they’re not on a map or in any kind of registry. Additionally, we have to put 1000L tanks of water within reach (with a standard fire hose) of any kitchen, so logistically, the org needs to know exactly where your kitchen will be. If you’re going to organize a kitchen in the free campers area, I urge you to please let people know about it, maybe create a free campers registry or something, reach out to the fire lead Pur Zel, etc.