Ach, that's really shitty...

Well my thought would be, can we get extra build hands to build some on site? @Veroca R. Sala and @Franzi for volunteer and build allowance opportunities.

@Natacha Kromatik @Don for build team capacity and experience in these matters.

If we can make them somewhat nice and leave them on site for Freiland (copying their new system) would they be alright with that? @Annette @Kate.

If we make our own and have to store them, then they need to be collapsible.

If we can get estimated budgets for the differing solutions I can see how things can be arranged. So far we still have the full budget to fix this, which I think should suffice if volunteers can build the units.

Chemical toilets aren't the end of the world either...

Hi team,

Really a shitty situation.

I can be there on the build for building new toilets, I have some experience but never built it before. Maybe it's good to ask Freiland if they can guide us and help us with this and then they'll have more toilets to use in the future.

Another idea is maybe to make a call for the community if someone have some leads for buying or renting compost toilets

Hey from Volunteers Uncoordination:

• we can get more volunteers for sure. That is not an Issue ( @Erez please confirm to me if you come, when you come, and make sure you register early entry https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfU9UMs4nBpC1o97WM9zBnLlHHyTtiq-wJw10QXhL_K0Az0CA/viewform )

• How many? I would need to know how many people we need for these extra toilets??? (@Nics would you forward this question to Don or ask if he could check or estimate how many people do we need for this?, just to have an idea. I forward this to natacha via PM as well

• Kitchen: according to previous conversations with the kitchen lead, adding one single person onsite will already require more hands in the kitchen. We have at the moment: the cook, the helper, and 1 kitchen fluffer for the 30 people we are feeding and it is already tight, going over 30 would require 2 more kitchen helpers to help with ALL the meals for the Build crew + clean up after meals to start cooking again and allow breaks!!!. Tagging @Melinda Gonzalez for her information and opinion)

• @Professor Kaos are we assigning more food budget if we had for instance 4 more toilets builders+2 more kitchen help?

Thanks

My initial reaction to the prospect of building compostable toilets onsite as part of build is that it is absolutely not a good idea, regardless of additional volunteers being available. I think renting chemical toilets is a much better option. My rationale:

• DIY compostable toilets are not going to be free of cost. We'll still need to pay for and transport construction materials for them.

• If we build them, we're responsible if they don't function as intended.

• I have not seen plans for the DIY toilets. I'm also not aware of anyone who has firsthand experience constructing DIY toilets. Unless Freiland shares plans that they used for theirs, we're making it up as we go along.

• The consequences of not getting toilet built correctly in time for the event are significant.

• Making them collapsible/storable adds complexity to the design and increases risk, as well as parts requirements and build time.

• I don't believe we have sufficient tools planned/budgeted for to effectively work on building multiple DIY toilets in parallel, while still having tool resources available for the rest of our build tasks.

Freiland installed 10 compost toilets, they are self built and can be moved. If we tell Eric/Ponk a few spots, the boxes will be placed where we need them. They come with 2 urinals each on one side and a hand washing station on the other: 3 x 3 toilets with 2 urinals and hand washing station, 1 x single toilet with 2 urinals and hand washing station.

The biggest problem with toilet is to seperate pee and 💩, also waste management wise. Why don´t we build a lot of urinals and pussoirs around the site that can stay longterm and motivate people to use the available toilets mostly for the big business? Don´t know if we have the ressources and time at build, but this is an inspiration from Wilde Möhre (I think our pussiors can also be more minimalistic).

Thanks @Don , and @Professor Kaos

Jack said still needs to try out two more companies. Maybe we get lucky with any of those!🤞

otherwise, we will need to go for the chemicals😔

Maybe we can keep to chemical ones as a last resort and try to build some during the build time. What is the shortest notice for chemical toilets @Jack ?
Of course for this we'll need the guidance and help from Freiland but I think it worth asking them. I'll be happy to build the new compost toilets

Hello and nice to meet you all :) I just took the lead role for toilets in my camp and I'm wondering what it exactly entails? I saw there is a briefing on Wednesday which I'll attend. And I imagine I should make a schedule for shit ninjas. Does every camp also need to plan toilet paper and cleaning material? Thank you so much !

Hey ! I'm with @Ina Marja Selnes who had an idea for the toilet issue. There is a guy in Denmark who owns a bunch of sushi toilets (short for "sustainable shit") and he might be able to bring toilets on Kiez Burn. Here's his contact for Telegram +45 71444949, he's called AnÞor.

So guys, esp @Erez @Dan de Lion! @Professor Kaos @Kate @Veroca R. Sala @Bee @Annette @Don @Natacha Kromatik good news! Now I feel like I know the whole eco-toilet industry in Germany 😆. I found a provider called oekolocus from leipzig who can rent the toilets (excl transport) for 135€ a piece, so for 5 toilets 675€ from 10th-16th Aug. They look quite nice, check it out.

Now the tricky part is the transport and its cost. Apparently they can deliver to KB (5 fit in a regular "sprinter" van, so we could not order 6 or more without the transport cost doubling). Either they deliver and pick up (which is 4 journeys for them), for which they would charge 1€ per km, which comes to about 1700€. We can also pick it up and drop it off ourselves. So can we get someone from the community to go from Leipzig in a Sprinter to KB and back? I presume our own transport would cost a fraction.

If we then also build some simple pussoirs and encourage everyone only to do big business in the toilets, we should be sorted.

I would like to make a decision by sunday so when they check the emails on monday we can get it confirmed.

These particular toilets come with 4 sealable 50L barrels each so we might have to empty them into bigger containers or also get our own additional barrels