From the point of view of my experience with the Rangers I would add:

• I see the possibility of KB growing up to 20% without significant changes in the amount of work it may cause in the organization of this area;

• I would expect, nevertheless, an slight increase in the number of incidents during the event, which at the end, goes back to other areas (Site Lead, First Aid, Gate, Welfare..)

• The incident rise is directly related to the culture-dilution and the "Verantwortungsdiffusion"; which advices a very slow growth.

So, zusammengefasst, we could grow, yes, but we shall better do it fucking slowly!

My personal suggestion would be to figure out first how can experienced burners rock it with the do-ocracy, before we overload the playa with what-does-moop-mean-people?

Cool exercise!

Thank you for your input. I will update the thread to reflect this input. Also thanks for pointing out the wrong date. I will correct this in the thread.

From a dream guidance perspective I do not see any issue with raising the numbver of attendees.
In general, one can expect for the relative number of people getting active at the dreams plattform to drop with rising absolute numbers. If you want me to pull out empirical research for this claim, let me know. But in generaL: The bigger the group, the less active & self-initiated participation of the individual. It's called social loathing or 'Verantwortungsdiffusion'.

On a personal level, I am more than happy to have the event stay at 1000 this year. We had massive growth over the past 2 years and I would like for some processes to firm up a bit before we grow to 1XXX humans.

@waldo I think you got the date wrong, or was that intentional? I thought we have settled for 17-21 June!

@Franzi Regarding permit this will very much depend on the location. At Freiland we know that with a growing number of people they will keep raising the requirements and thus our cost will go up, mostly for:

• Additional security

• A fully professional first aid

• Permanent presence of the fire department

• More toilets

If we end up going to Muckwar I'm sure a similar direction would apply, but it's a different federal state and a different Amt with no real event experience so the details will likely look different.

Regarding the Population Growth question itself - while we might be able to grow, I'm not sure it's desirable. My personal view would be to aim for 1000 people again and see how we get on with that, and whether/how the event can get better with the contributions of these 1000 people. Especially if we change site, but also if we stay at Freiland in a quiet fashion (which might also attract less people, rather than more). And then think about growth again in 2021.

I'd like to answer the question concerning first aid, given that I spent a fair amount being on duty there, @Remy Schneider was lead but also loaded with many other responsibilities. (Remy of course can overrule or add)

I dont see a problem in expanding in this particular field, although it's difficult to make an estimate given the nature of the duty. I experienced the first aid duty overall rather relaxed.

With emergency services such as this the situation can quickly escalate, for example through food poisoning of a camp or MANV but overall I experienced our community as acting responsible and caring. 😊

I am curious to hear from @Jan Thomas (Site Liaison ) more about the impact on getting the permission for the event. The event permission is tied to number of participants and requirements change by brackets quite significantly. Which I would like to understand what they look like to then see if we are ready to deal with them.

The other assumption here is that we can grow, which is dependent on the details of the venue for the event. My personal gut feeling on this is: if we move to a new venue this year, I think it's probably a bad idea since we'll have so much else to figure out... why rock the boat even more?

I will need more time to respond to this from the Site Lead perspective.