That's valuable feedback, in my case my phone is always close to me and charged, even when im not using it much.

That leads to an interesting question. How far do we wanna go in the attempt of preparing for the worst while not overdoing it?

Hi. How is this going?? a week past and I haven't seen any confirmation of what I suggested down in the comments.

I am at this point very tight with timings. We are close to the event

• Do you guys want me to prepare the phones-without-camera for the burner phones station? Yes/no?

• How many?

Thanks!

Thanks, Purzel!

I would go for option #3, making sure all Kieze are in the know and reserve a spot to have the phone charged and protected from the elements etc. Tagging @Erin Jeavons-Fellows to follow up on this proposal in case we move forward with the option #3.

Option #2 is interesting as well, considering we could have phones without a camera installed ( I know Mr. Galaxy @Sven Dudink could provide those phones (?). I personally volunteer to do the technical work of removing cameras of the devices.

• Placement of Burner Phones: A combination of options #2 and #3: The burner phones could be placed somewhere near a Kiez to get power from and a Kiez member to make sure the phone is not flat. the Buner Phone station should be visible and reachable from the streets of Freiland and good signage required ( tagging @Ancka, signage lead to follow up).

• A number of phones: How many phones would we need? I assume not every Kiez needs one.

• The signal would affect the location of the burner phones meaning that the placement is to be confirmed during build and communicated just then? or maybe we can check the reception at the Freiland event on the 16h July so that we can place them on the map (the emergency Burner Phones).

• We need to make a signal check with different providers regardless we go for option #1 or #2 Without knowing if we have reception I dont see the point of all this discussion. @Franzi which provider do you have? @CJ Yetman , and you? thanks

• Linking this comment to the Freiland event now ( Freiland sommerfest https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/bNPEdgFm/freiland-sommerfest)

• The sim cards need to be registered and linked to a person, who that person will be?

Sorry, guys, I'm an experienced emergency physician (Notarzt, Facharzt für Innere Medizin) with over 20 years of experience. I don't know, where this idea of the number came from, but in the real life it doesn't work this way. Also the statement that the emergency services don't know, what to do in case of a substance abuse is just wrong. You should probably ask professionals before creating the procedure that is more likely going to cause nothing but a chaos.

With all respect

Thanks for this proposal! I agree with Nr. 3: promote Number within Kieze, have it maybe also present at Welfare, Site lead station, Gate (even though they are already close to First Aid). But also make sure this does not replace looking for rangers/site lead/welfare first. (I would make a sign for the monkey kitchen that says something like "emergency? 1. find first aid/welfare 2. report to rangers/site leads 3. nobody close or serious emergency? call first aid 20837417823)

I also share @Cris concern about promoting the use of phones but do agree with @CJ Yetman that this will not be the main reason for people carrying phones during the burn. Maybe we should use this concern rather as inspiration for "consent posters" about carrying phones and taking pictures.

With respect to "promoting" burners to carry around their phones... I honestly don't believe this "promotes" carrying around phones, and honestly I would also be very opposed to doing this in the form of "Kiez Burn attendees: please bring your cell phone and keep it with you at all times in case you need to call First Aid!". But that's a far cry from what I imagine, somewhere subtly saying "This year, First Aid will also be reachable by a phone number if you cannot find a Ranger or easily get to the First Aid tent on your own: 212.867.5309"

I do believe that many people already carry their phones with them during the event, myself included. I also agree that it's a concern if people are taking video and pictures of people without their consent. However, setting this up as First Aid having a phone number is somehow promoting this bad behavior feels like a strawman argument to me.

and, I think it should be clear to first aid, that if they get called directly they need to fill out the incident form and report to the site lead asap :)

I think either way is fine for me... Just to be clear there is no phone reception on site. I know @Professor Kaos mentioned a couple of times network is better this time... but its not. I had literally zero network :)

I am for idea 3, as well, yet also perhaps the nr. can be placed on a white board/paper at each camp [or someone`s chest ;)] or prominently, so that in an emergency anyone knows to call it and can call it. Also, perhaps info such as this, as well as other discussed info (1st rangers, then phone nr., no swimming/habitat preservation), can also be mentioned during greeting.

Edited to also tag Franzi.