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Tools help us shape our reality, but our reality is also shaped by the tools we use. Facebook, Slack, Loomio, Dreams platform,... they are not neutral tools.
We want to consciously choose or build a tool, to help it shape our reality.
A platform where you can find interesting discussions on digital tools for our community:

Tool integration

Ideally we plan a little how all these tools interact with each other. If a dreams platform as a to-do connected to it (because of fire), can we easily reference it in a discussion and then how would it map in a task&responsibility manager? (etcetera)

A communication platform enabling consensual do-ocracy decision making

We are currently running on Loomio Gold. This works well for decision-making, but has some limitations in terms of "chatting" and mobile capabilities. There are other tools as well, such as discourse, but that do not have the extensive capabilities in terms of decision making. The question is: which tool do we go for? And then let's do it! :)

Regarding Loomio:
- we need to move to a solution where we host it ourselves (e.g. ==> the person that takes charge of this can contact Arthur, who did it already for Payamcakes.
- We need to work on some of the painpoints (e.g. language, desire for an app-version) ==> this can be a future action point.
a more extensive product brief that would be nice as a basis but needs a lot of further co-creation + is outdated:

Enabling the community to decide where funds & art grants go

e.g. dreams platform:
The goal of such platform would not be limited to art grants, but can also function as a budget decision tool for more structural topics, such as gate or welfare.
- frontend: easy, open and intuitive for participants
- backend: needs good interface for dependent departments to interact with artists + great interface needed for finances as well ==> to be figured out

Enabling decentralized getting-shit-done with a task and responisibility manager to map our path

Crucial for such a task manager, is to clearly track responsibilites, to make it super clear who people can talk to to get things moving. The second crucial bit, is to clearly show dependencies between roles or tasks.

There is an interesting project originating from the Borderland community that intends to connect the Dreams platform, Loomio/Talk and a task&responsibilities manager. This project is called "Realities" and lies within the Participio project. More info:

Realities (the Borderland tool) example:

Potential other tools already out there:
- Doocrate
- ClickUp
- Trello
- Slack
- ???


  • A budget & accounting tool to enable easy finance processing in line with tax requirements
  • A website where new people easily can find their way to how they can contribute
  • A volunteer coordination tool, e.g.
  • A workshop/events registration and overview tool?

Let's chat

What do you think? How can we improve our tools? Which tool and how would we modify it to help it shape our reality how we like it to?


walto Mon 29 Oct 2018 6:16PM

For a task & responsibility manager, some examples:
- first aid: clear to-dos and "roadmap", little no dependencies
- signs, which is more a dependency map style, maybe with one spreadsheet like we had it this year
- power, which has a deadline-style roadmap and lots of dependencies
- somebody wanting to organize site planning (currently marked as "non-crucial" where the to-dos are less clear


Henrik 馃 Tue 30 Oct 2018 1:19PM

Something we should not forget: Given the heavy fluctuation of organizers we should keep in mind to make those tools as easy as possible to use. Every additional tool in the chain increases complexity and the full belt can be overwhelming for newcomers just looking to flip some waffles / plan a good party.


walto Thu 8 Nov 2018 10:13PM

Meeting notes with Hugi:
Main output:
- Realities will be rocking it, and connected to both the dreams platform and loomio.
- loomio app: totally doable, next up: making it happen :)


Steffen Lepa Fri 9 Nov 2018 5:38AM

Hi folks,
jobwise, I just attended the Berlin Most Wanted Music Conference (music industry and music technology and music culture conf). In terms of tools, there was something I found very interesting: There was a guy callled Enrico presenting who invented a blockchain-based digital payment/acounting tool for festivals called "blockchain my art". They are using it already on several festivals. Might not be something for us, since it is a lot about payments (and as we all know, we do not pay each other), but still maybe worth a look:


Alex Kaos Sun 11 Nov 2018 5:33PM

It looks quite interesting, and might be possible to use with art grants, but I think it's primary use is with on-site payments, which we don't have, so it probably won't save any time in the long run.
The smart contracts feature could be nice, but it's definitely a double edged sword. It won't be necessary for a few years either way I expect. Excellent idea for a conventional festival that loves to pay full tax.........


Alex Kaos Mon 12 Nov 2018 11:18AM

Indeed indeed, that's where I saw the primary use. I would investigate other simpler tools first (i.e Splitwise or larger scale equivalent) that tracks expenditures that be settled later. But that could only be a solution on our current scale, once we expand a tool like this could be invaluable for all roost points you mentioned.


walto Sat 24 Nov 2018 6:18PM

indeed :D


Steffen Lepa Mon 12 Nov 2018 10:22AM

maybe for internal accounting between the teams / Kieze / main org? In turn, to make all spendings even more transparent to the community? Like, if people encounter an artwork during the event they would see on their smartphones what was invested in it / how much was granted, who was partnering and so on. Or to do spontanous money flows during the event if extra stuff need to be bought or one team spontaneously sells stock to another. I dunno. Just a thought. I think Bank and Arts org should have a look on this and check if it could be useful.


Steffen Lepa Mon 12 Nov 2018 10:24AM

see above, I would not only think about consumer payments, the thing offers far more. But as written, just as a hint. ;-)


walto Sun 11 Nov 2018 4:50PM

hey @stefanapel how do you think the technology might be implemented @kiez burn? @alexcuthbertson FYI :)

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