I really had a lot of fun last year and, from the feedback of a lot of volunteers, they as well. So totally up for bringing it to life again this year! Fak-yah!

Wonderers is mostly about volunteer coordination, and don't need much regarding materials, but I think it'd be pretty cool if they have their own space (last year we were squatting Welfare and First Aid) where they can gather, change shifts, shelter and keep the stuff. (We can still squat)
Maybe some little tent a little bit like this (with deco and stuff?) Dream still to be filled up in case of consent.

a tent for Rangers.... at Schloss Schönburn last year I used my Sibley 500 as a tent for Ranger meetings. It easily seats 6-10 people sitting in a circle. It is more costly but more awesome, too. You can ask Canvascamp if they have 2nd Hand/used ones on stock and give them away cheaper (I bought mine at a discount from them this way).

Note: frederik.hiergens @ canvascamp is the guy to ask. Note: He borrowed a camp about 10 of these to bring to Nowhere 2008, I was part of their camp, I loved them from the start. We borrowed Nowhere one for gate, the gaties loved it.
https://www.canvascamp.com/de/sibley-500-ultimate-se

We will have a covered space at the saloon dedicated for Rangers that can hold small meetings before we head out. The space will have cubbies to store supplies, electricity for charging walkies, rain cover, a heater, and a light permanently on.

Hey Cris, i would like to participate, bring it up to live or during the event

@cristinaolano during the leads meeting, @lisa111 + Gur (not sure where to find him on talk) expressed interest in being involved here

@jck check in here in order to not double efforts.

@cristinaolano - The Saloon as a camp is interested in helping to shape the not-so-lone rangers. There is a discussion about this going on. :)

That is amazing! We could have Sheriffs as this year's rangers @jck !

Nice! But, where is that discussion taking place?

no idea...

@cristinaolano I can contribute my Ranger instructions from Schloss Schönburn 2018 - which you are invited to steal/copy/adapt. (they are published creative commons by attribution, so cite me :-)
http://www.burners.at/wetzlas/doku.php?id=rangers

@hannamaijahelvi

Hanna Maija I tagged you because I would like to receive some intel on volunteer reliability.
More specific: Do you have a rough estimate how many people flaked on their shifts? Especially the ranegr shifts? Can you tag someone who might have a clue about that here if that's not you? Thank you

@cristinaolano the saloon has, as far as I see it, not reached a final decision yet. Currently no one is in the task of bein the main responsible person for the saloon as the rangers hub. However, I think the saloon will come to a decision soon. Currently we are gathering intel about risk and responsibilities. Once I have the intel I will try and bring people interested in organizing the rangers as saloon to be active here in talk and just join the discussion you started. Does that sound alright?

@jck - did I represent correctly? please lmk if I missed something important.

OH and does anybody know what the minimum funding for rangers will be or where to access that info?

Hi, to my knowledge not so many flaked. The people that were responsible of that last year might have a different impression though!

We did not track it, but if I remember right we had about 120 wonderer shifts last year and my rough estimate would be that maximum 10 didn't show up.

we talked about this at the downtempo meeting. we wanted to host the rangers and make it a communal thing. if cris is organizing wanderers already then i can be the downtempo lead on the site and cowboy wrangler . im going to talk to cris about that on the phone unless @cristinaolano wants to talk here.

@cristinaolano what supplies do we have from last year?

I submitted a dream proposal which can be edited, @saskia31 can you guide?

I am your dream guide now. Good job, Jesse!

I added a budget note in the thread description: 300€ guaranteed budget.

@cristinaolano can you post an inventory of what we have? looking particularly at number of walkies, walkie chargers, hats, multitools, waterbottles etc. stuff from the poll to the right

I think remy and me have some of the walkies at our place. I will do a count this weekend, remind me if I forget please :)

hey waldo how many did you find? We need 8 walkies + 4 chargers for Rangers, and i think + one walkie devoted to the main channel so the rangers and ranger hq can interface with amber or whoever at big hq

@tobias do you know what inventory we have from last year? looking particularly at number of walkies, walkie chargers, hats, multitools, waterbottles etc. stuff from the poll to the right

Unfortunately I don't know about the inventory. The walkies we shared with site lead, welfare, first aid, gate and security, and they came with chargers. My guess would be it's the ones @waldo mentions above. In terms of # of walkies, we actually only needed 1 for wonderer lead plus 1 for each wonderer pair, plus 1 or 2 are usually charging. So never more than 5 walkies for wonderers at any given time. Then we had a box of fancy blue safety jackets for wonderers to wear and be identified as such, plus optionally a couple of superhero capes. We also, just like two years ago, provided a backpack with things we thought could be useful, but I don't remember any ranger/wonderer in both years actually carrying that around. The site is not so big, and water or tools are always somewhere close. Just headlamps were useful at night, but also don't know where they ended up...

dang, I didn't have the time... can this wait till this weekend?

I unfortunately don't have the list, because wasn't there for strike, but If everything is there in the box from last year, we should have more or less this:
- around 6 blue vests one size
- around 6 rain ponchos, probably less
- around 4-5 headlamps
- I even think there was a big green backpack

oh wow thanks cris! hmm if we dont know if the lamps work, maybe we should get a backup in case. thanks for following up!

If you folks are using Baofeng walkies I can bring my own.

we use Motorola walkies (these yellow/black ones). They are not really strong enough for the whole site, but cover a decent enough coverage. At some point we'll probably need to upgrade (but they are so expensive). Also: would not recommend lending out your walkies to KBORG, we loose that shit somehow with walkies showing up at ppls places a year later :D

like these? https://www.amazon.de/Motorola-Funkger%C3%A4t-wetterfest-Reichweite-St%C3%BCck-gelb/dp/B01FDI6OKS/ref=sr_1_6?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=motorola+walkie+talkie&qid=1554745302&s=gateway&sr=8-6

jup

How will the wonderers/rangers be called this year?

I wrote the name Wandering Rangers as a compromise because wanders/rangers is a mouthful. We will make it feel more like a fellowship crew this year with a hq and group meeting, so Rangers makes it feel more like a fellowship and allies us with the Cowboys who are giving us space/power for HQ. and Wandering cuz thats in the spirit of checking in on whats happening, helping out only when needed. I use rangers for short. The sign will say Wandering Rangers HQ.

Hi guys, would love to join and ranger with you for 1-2 shifts :)

put your answer in the question to the right and we will send you the application form soon!

@cristinaolano any input on a cool logo design to spray paint on the hats?

I would like to join for a ranger shift or two. Where do we sign up?

can we add this on top for everyone to sign up? and also maybe add the videos of "jelly doghnut" to explain what rangering is and how it works? https://www.udemy.com/rangering-101/

first let cris edit it and send it to volunteer lead, who will send it back around.

I edit it and pass it on to Tobi. Then I will give it to the volunteer Lead, who will make everything public on May 5th.
--> PLEASE, DON'T SING UP YET!
@benjaminfockersper Thank you for the hit! Although most of the important information is exactly the same, we also have to take into account that some protocols and "ways to do things" may not adjust to the KB own protocols.

sure, best would be a handout (print & laminate to reuse) before every shift for the rangers so they can check what's important. I don't have the info to put on but can help, if needed.

Cool, we could do a short list with the most important things. We already have the Rangers Manual, which we are reviewing now, and also a list of things to take into account for the shift take over.

Hi can we have the docs promised for 5th May? And a link to a repository for ranger must-read documents?

could ppl sign up for the rangers responsibilities or change these so we do not have red dots anymore? (which means red flags for an event critical role like this) https://realities.kiezburn.org/ca457174-68a8-44c6-bc9b-17acf060e3a9

Can I still join rangering? I was a wonderer last year, and would really like a repeat! :)

I think everyone is sitll welcome and nothing crazy happened so far. We need also people to sign up for positions in the "red flag" sheet. see one post above ;)

Indeed, everyone's very welcome! The volunteering sign up just didn't start yet. The volunteer Lead will make it public this weekend. I will also send an email to everyone who was a wonderer last year and to all those who showed interest here.

Dear potential Wondering Rangers volunteers: the volunteer spreadsheet is online!
:raised_hands: SIGN IN for shifts! :raised_hands:
Thank you!

@cristinaolano have you changed the volunteer design from what you wanted before? Right now the volunteer lead is separate from the pairs. For example at night we have 5 rangers on call at one time, instead of two pairs as you had told me you wanted. Where will the 5th (lead) ranger be?

@cristinaolano Regarding lead changeover. One of the best pieces of advice I got from interviewing Rangers at other events was that its very important have a consistent lead over the night 20 - 04, so that atleast one person on duty has experience with the night's repeat problems. last i checked you felt the same. It looks like this was changed on the volunteer form, so that the Lead switchover happens at midnight in the middle of most chaos (this appears to come from the structure of how the form is designed). Is this an intentional decision?

@jessewheaton The timetable and how the shifts are structured are the same like last year. It worked very well. Shift takeovers were relaxed, there was never a sense of chaos. The Ranger Lead usually hangs out at the Ranger Station, while the one or two pairs of Rangers wander around the site.

There was no Ranger Station last year, so I am confused how the ranger lead hung out at the station last year. Also the shifts were in two pairs day and night last year, whereas this year it is 3 at day, 5 at night. I believe and @cristinaolano confirmed last year there were 4 Rangers, including the lead on duty, is that wrong? I super want a Ranger station lead to happen for organizational reasons BUT are people aware of the fact this is what being Ranger lead means and willing to sit in a chair in a room alone for 8 hours? During the day the only two volunteer Rangers on duty will be with eachother, while the Lead Ranger sits alone at hq? Theres no discussion on the volunteer form about expectations for volunteers (sobriety, carrying a bag, expectations around behavior).

Last year we were always 4 Rangers + 1 Ranger Lead = 5. We had the "Mothership" where the Ranger Lead would hang out, together with Welfare and First Aid, so not alone. It would indeed not be fun if the Ranger Station would be a lonely place. The reason for the Ranger Lead to be there most time is that Ranger Station should be the place where people could come if they are looking for a Ranger.

oh super interesting, i was not aware of this!

So since there is no mothership this year, they will be alone. Since i am responsible for the ranger station, why did you not consult me about how the Ranger station is no longer for changing shifts (as has always been discussed at leads meetings), but rather now has to be 'not a lonely place' and hold a lead ranger 24 hrs a day instead of for brief shift changes. I feel like you have made a problem for me to solve without consulting me first. I never consented to creating anything other than a lonely place.

Feel free to do things differently this year of course. Was just trying to contribute how it worked the last years.

I will try to clarify a bit:
- As Tobias says, the shifts are structured like last year's, which worked out good and easy. In the last Leads Meeting, I pointed out explicitly we could have this (2 Rangers + 1 Lead / 4 Rangers + 1 Lead) structure while speaking about amount of supplies needed and was agreed. Maybe there was some misunderstanding?
- There's a Lead overnight planned indeed. The change times were discussed last year and the changing hours decision was based, among other things, on trying to avoid people from starting shifts at 6 am.
- I added a link to last year's Manual in the description (we definitely could have have done this earlier..) There it talks about the Rangers HQ and, as Tobias points out, "where the wonderer Lead usually hangs out", not where they must be. To clarify: the Lead may as well walk around. The HQ is just a place on the map to go where you MAY find them (besides charging & changing station)
This means: no one must stay 8 hours sitting anywhere; we don't need and cannot feed them (no volunteer kitchen) or have a heating (not enough power)

I hope this helps with all the misunderstanding, @jessywheaton . There has never been a decision made without you, and those comments were entirely based on the Manual, which you already have.

ok i was misinformed and uninformed a bit then. I hear you. I'll explain why this is a surprise, not reject it. Cris I came in a little after you at that meeting i may have missed your message, but when I picked up the ranger hq project during the 2nd leads meeting waldo talked about how we needed an hq for changing shifts only, and thats how i wrote the dream and have always discussed it in the later meetings. I was told multiple times it would be for changing shifts only so thats what i planned for. That doesnt mean it has to stay that way. i really like the idea of having a central ranger because it makes COMMs and organization and security and hand off way easier, lot of things, and i think is generally a more professional way to do it. I played with adding it in for a bit because thats how most ranger set ups work and i really tried to think of ways to make it work (not realizing you guys were already planning on that). In the end I couldn't find a way that didnt seem like a waste of their time though. I am open to your guys' thoughts of how to make it work. Seems like I would be very bored on that nightshift without mothership people and I doubt there will be much Ranger walkie chatter. They could maybe instead not be in the Ranger HQ but just nearby instead, hang out at the Saloon (adjacent) that night and be available on the walkie. That would fix the heater issue too if they're not inside which is a big power problem. We have enough volunteers for sure to fill that shift, I just dont want people's memory of the Ranger HQ to be feeling like their time isnt being spent well and theyre missing the event, you know? I want people to have fond memories of the little building. What do you guys think?

Thanks for your answer and the willingness.
Looks like there are misunderstandings around the HQ concept. You're organizing it, so feel free to choose the option you feel good about it and can realize. But here some comments based on last years:
HQ is a small place for Rangers to meet, change shifts, keep their stuff, recharge walkies and shelter. It was talked about it to have a storage place and a sitting place. Rangers and Ranger Lead would go around and can rest in the HQ or wherever they're confortable, when they need it. People may find Rangers there, or may not, because they move :nerd: HQ could be a nice and cozy place, if you want it to be like that, but I expect it not to be very populated at all.
HQ is not a Kiez, therefore there's no need to feed or heat people. I believe the heating is not even possible (you can consult with power, but there's no other heated place in KB besides the sauna :laughing: ) Fire is also out of the question (no guarantee we can do it at all because of fire regulations, and it needs to be taken care of and rangers need to be able to leave at any point)

Here some of my personal concerns/questions/suggestions regarding HQ:
- There's the issue of providing water? which I wonder if the Saloon could help out with. Last year Rangers would bring their own bottle and refill at Mothership or Kieze, but it'd be nice if HQ has some. It could also have a 5l can or sth?
- There's the issue of the walkie talkies charging (provide electricity point - could the Saloon throw us a line?) and security (need to be locked up - need to get some kind of locker that allows the charging - need to figure out and communicate the key/code handling]
As an alternative, we could ask First Aid if they could storage our walkie talkies, like last year. They are there 24/7, so they'd be safe. There's the big complications of we needing to travel over there, disturb their space, which needs high privacy sometimes, resulting in the shift changing interrupted and long (starting at HQ-travel-check that everyone know how they work..)

:astonished: This is so confusing!!!! I did not plan for anyone to be sitting in HQ 24/7, then tobias told me i had to plan a ranger lead stationed at HQ, then i did, and now cris tells me not to plan for a Rangers to spend much time at HQ.... i am so confused. I am just going to read what everyone suggested and make a decision this conflicting communication is too much stress.

i have already solved the electricity issue with saloon, and i vote use lock, but discuss meeting, end text now.

OMG what if the Ranger HQ WAS the sauna though? I mean think about it... not too hard, just enough to enjoy the warm idea.

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@cristinaolano @tobias i dont see a mention in the volunteer form about expectations of rangers before they sign up, since this is open to everyone including new people it is important we get their consent around what they will be expected to do.

I would suggest we include a description of rangers, heres what i wrote i based on writing from last year:

Wandering Rangers are Kiez Burners who take a turn walking the grounds and being helpful and of service to the safety and well-being of the community. They act as non-confrontational community mediators, providers of reliable information, facilitators of public safety, and navigators of the edge of chaos. They encourage self reliance, individual accountability, and shared responsibility.

At any time day or night you will find one or two pairs of Rangers checking on dancefloors and art projects, getting the pulse of the event for HQ and offering help or alerting security and medical when needed. Wanders are 4 hours long and always with a partner, and sober. There will be a short introduction and prep meeting at the start of kiez burn to guide you. You can sign up for just one Wander, or a few, its up to you. We will be filling ___ available slots with burners from all sorts of backgrounds, Join the team!

We definitely need to include the ranger requirements:
Ranger Requirements:
* Sober
* Willing to carry a small, light gürteltasche of snacks and supplies
* Willing to come to a meeting before the event to

@tobias if youve changed the lead ranger position you need a description of what being a Lead Ranger entails, and what they will be doing! If they are not going to be one of the pairs we have to let people know they are signing up to sit alone at hq for 8 hours!!!

why do rangers even carry a "bag of supplies"? this is usually not how rangers work. was there a reason to change it?

Supplies include food, water, hats, headlamps, sunscreen, hats things that allow Rangers to be healthy and also to give basic support to the community. Before you interject that 'this is not how it works', please check your tone of authority. Supplying the Rangers with hats, food, water, and basic supplies is in fact 'how it usually works' at many burn events. how do you expect rangers to reliably see in the dark? Furthermore, having supplies on hand for others was a well-considered idea. I interviewed multiple Rangers from other burn events as well as studying the broader ranger guide and considering last year. There was a lot of public discussion and anyone could contribute to that decision for months. At this point the community has made a decision to support that idea and it is no longer up for debate. You can read more here: https://dreams.kiezburn.org/dreams/24

said bag to supply others is a shiny gürteltasche that weighs less than 5 kilos and can be worn around the hips or shoulders

On the first tab of the Volunteer spreadsheet there's already a short description of what the Rangers are about. This is anyway a good input, maybe we can still update it, @verocarsala ?

I would suggest adding something like this (in my opinion, the most important points missing) :
-this is a sober shift!
-there'll be an onsite training before the shift starts, please make it possible to attend.

As for the supplies bag:
In the last 2 Kiez Burns (and from what I know from Nowhere) Rangers wouldn't carry any bag around. They had indeed supplies in the HQ, which they could use and carry as they pleased (including a bag pack) From those supplies, they most useful were by far the headlights and the rain ponchos. A pair of copies of a map, the manual, the volunteer shifts and the site lead shifts were very important to keep in the HQ for consultation.

As far as I can recall and read, there was not really a discussion about wether or not they should carry something, but a poll about what this bag should have. So I feel the comment from @benjaminfockersper makes sense. I understand that right now, the time is an issue, though.

Personally, I'd find it nice when those things (headlamp and poncho) and whatever ppl wanted in the poll, are available at the HQ.
Furthermore, snacks (nuts, choco, dextro..) may be useful, something like water guns maybe fun. Water is important, but every ranger should have their own bottle (radical self-reliance) Could we fill in the bottles at the Saloon? @janchristiankaspar

As for the rest, please @jessywheaton, slow down the tone, let's try to keep this discussion nice and productive.

Alright cris no problem I'll add that later on today.

so, its been months of work planning, reaching out on this thread and elsewhere for all welcome support, setting up funding and now we are finally near the end! yay!! planning is over, funding is over, the dreams are closed, ive started buying some supplies. Its great that all of a sudden a lot of people want to chime in and help! But at this point we dont need planning help, and I don't think it is constructive to say that i should scrap the Ranger bags. They are like most of the dream, they account for the primary allocation of the dream funds. The dream concept is a commitment I'm supposed to deliver, validated by the votes of the community and created from a mix of people. the idea was formed by the leads during the 2nd meeting lead by waldo, including discussing the bags, i took responsibility for the project, then i reached out on talk for opinions, then the community decided it wants this by voting for it. I just want to move forward with constructive stuff.

oh i must have missed that tab! not great with spreadsheet tabs. nevermind then glad its in there. was so weird not to see any description. sounds good.

yea great ideas, cris i wrote down every one of the supplies you mentioned there from the last chat and made sure to include :) good point on the water!

Guess who's taking his first shift as a ranger lead! Psyched AF about that. <3

Oh very exciting, when you get off shift youll already be at the saloon, and all rangers getting off shift get a free drink. also non-rangers. anything that can walk up to a bar really. but you get brownie points.

We are looking for Rangers to assist during BUILD (pre-event) to construct the Ranger HQ!

Arriving Tuesday 18.06. at TXL at 13:55. is that useable?

Build is from Sun - Tue, so Tuesday afternoon is a little late. But you can always show up at that time and come over to the Ranger HQ and help at the end! I'm sure we'll find use for you. We might be building into wednesday we will see.

Mght be good to print this and bring it with you, gives guidance on how loud camps can be, useful for rangers. Further info: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/4Tt6okiK/new-map-and-quiet-loud-zones/

Great! I'll also add it to the Ranger Manual

Apparently, it's still going to be updated!