If you would already like to register your interest in the workshop you Khan already use this form that I copied from last year :)

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/182OjTQiwQz1jPPcai59zEkBEXGHfYjFfmoq0l9V1lVw/edit

Hi, I love this proposal.

I believe that what we need is to train 'in-house' kiezburners on this topic well, and allow them to repropogate the information and training internally. This seems to me the most effective technique for a long term consent-orientated community.

After working with Olivia in the RAD for a year, I personally think she is already ready to fullfill this role. However 200€ is a minimal expense when it comes to supporting our consent culture. Every breach of consent causes damage that needs repair, and there is no amount of money that 'fixes' such situations. We have to be investing in prevention via education.

I have seen first hand, whiclst working witht the RAD, the board and in other projects, how powerful effectivley educating consent offenders can be. I have also seen that some individuals cannot be reached in a such a way, and that they have to be asked to stand outside of our spaces until they prove otherwise, luckily, this is the minority case in this community.

So whilst we need means for addressing behaviours in hindsight, and having those individuals follow a suitable accountability process, there should be a spearheaded operation diving directly into the effective education of the community as a whole on the topic of consent.

For context, I beleive the most successfully Kiez Burn is when we have reached such a stage of understanding and broad-community training that we no longer need specific shifts for Rangers, Welfare, Shit NInjas etc. The community collectivley fullfills those roles and purposes without having to be on any shift-plan.

This is one vital branch on that quest.

This sounds like not much money and totally worth it! 👍🏻

Seems like a reasonable amount of €€ for an important topic.

Maybe we can spend a couple of Euros on Listerated Pepsin Chewing Gum as well? 😉

I would also endorse this for the small amount of funding that would be required, considering how important of a subject it is. Well done Olivia! My only slight concern would be, how do you get the people who would benefit from this (i.e. need this the most) to attend the workshop?

@Jack That has always been the important question indeed!

It seems like for the time being, we are better making progress with 'trickle-down consentanomics';

by continually and activley training the engaged and swing-consenters, we shift the overton-window on the topic in the direction of an improved culture of consent. This is turn helps the community to maintain it's own equillibrium around this evolving cultural-center, and discourage or condemn behaviours outside of that deemed 'culturally appropriate'.

Or we could for future events we can force people to watch a 5 minute video on consent before they can purchase a ticket (i..e would you like a cup of tea?)

@Jack It's always the question. Folks often think they don't need this training because they have good intentions.

I think this is a step forward in having a more consent culture. The early adopters and community leaders solidify their own understanding and it trickles down. Even having Consent Training in our KB comms is a positive move in this direction.

I would also love support and ideas about how we share this training. Personally I find with Burn info it takes talking to people in small groups. Speaking to your camps and your friends and supporting them to understand why this is important 🤘

Sounds like a wonderful investment!

Absolutely worth it!

Thank you for the initiative!

Probably this is a worthy sum of money for a starter, but I'd also be very happy if we'd spend more in Consent. Maybe when we've solved the Storage business.

In my mind, and for perspective: 200€ receive Dreams that don't have such an important impact in our community, nor strive to solve problems we've been facing, nor make us grow as much, or have such a potentiality for replication. All good with Dreams, but no, I'm not neutral.

Also, fantastisch that this AP also became its own excellent meme gallery.

And yes, I'm a bit late to the game, but this hasn't been "decided" yet anyway :)

Late to the party here a little but had big logging in problems before when I tried to comment.

Very much support this and would love to be personally trained so I can ensure the site lead training is positively be influenced by it! Also think it would be good to trickle down for training more and more of our volunteers in this especially welfare and rangers 🤘 @Jessie

I’d like to know:

1. What was the experience of people doing it last year?

2. What are the measurable outcomes for Kiez Burn to determine the return we get?

3. How is this better than, say, offering self-defense training?

I don't think I understand the intent behind your point #3. Maybe you could explain a bit more about why you're suggesting this?

@Kris

1. Very good. Helpful, interesting conversations afterwards, sharing of knowledge and facts further than kiezburn community

2. Is this something we also measure with dreams? Its investing in our community, knowledge, awareness and culture. Also that we invest and promote this, shows the importance we attribute to this, which is good marketing for interested burners. Ideally it makes the jobs of other people easier if consent awareness and training is part of the community (rangers, welfare, site leads, RAD,...)

3. The concept of empowerment often starts with information. We are also advertisting a consent aware community and supporting it in getting there. Lots of people maybe never got into contact with consent training and are unaware of finer details or their own impact and behaviour.

@Kris

3. Besides what Ale says:

• Knowledge about consent promotes self consciousness, entitlement and prevents insecurities, which are the first step of self-defense.

• Physical training doesn't necessarily and automatically imply entitlement. As in: not because you're black belt in taekwondo, you'd ever be able to hit someone in real life. It takes something that it's inside.

• For a physical training to be absorb by the body in a way that allows a fast and automatic response, you need to repeat the moves over and over during several months or years. You don't learn anything really in some hours.

• And more importantly: teaching consent goes closer to the core and origin of the problem, instead of to the receiving end, avoiding again putting the responsability onto the victim.

  "Instead of teaching your daughters how to defend themselves, why wouldn't you teach your sons not to abuse".

(As context: I'm saying this from the perspective of training in a feminist and self organized Kampfsport group since 8 years)

Wasn't my intention to push buttons with that one, for the third point it might as well been "a different provider of consent training". What I'm trying to get at is the criticism that this isn't reaching the right audience if what you're offering is a 101 course on zoom, and whether we can determine how valid that criticism is. (Intervention training is another good example of a different kind of training, specifically for people interested in acting in ranger/welfare/site capacities and are likely to show up on zoom.)

There's a very interesting event response maturity graphic that I can't find (I've posted it here before somewhere), but if we think of the Rape Culture Pyramid from normalisation to assault, I want to know how what on the pyramid we're targeting and why. If we had a survey, the questions might range from "how many reports of assault did we get" to "did you experience degrading acts" to "do feel free to be naked or sexually expressive without getting unwanted attention". My guess is that we're doing well on the two first, but less so on the last. I want those numbers, and I want to see them improve.

Having this as "marketing", as "ooh, look we do consent here", in the worst case, makes us complicit if the event is not actually safer or more liberated.

@Kris@Kris would like to point out that consent doesn't just relate directly to sexual type of interactions. As well as obviously supporting the principle of consent, I think this training could (hopefully) also address the Inclusion principle. Since I haven't done the training I can't be sure but i also think that there is no negative consequence of having more training in general. I would also whole heartedly support an advice process putting forward intervention training too if someone was stepping up to propose this.

Nowhere am I saying I’m against this, 200 eur is a pittance. I just want to make sure we’re not being sanctimonious.