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Mon 16 Dec 2019 7:52PM

Location 2020 - requirements + search

RS Remy Schneider Public Seen by 177

A Decision has been made

see: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/lha3QHKo/location-finalization-meeting/2

Further location discussions will take place in a new thread, since the search & finding phase has been concluded


Update: we are collecting input from the community on potential venues and their suitability to host KB2020. Please check the list, add GREAT venues and your comments on suitability if you have been to any of the venues listed. The location sheet is linked, SCOUTS meet to make shortlist by 13.01

Short Summary of Space Needs

  • Preferred dates for KB 2020: 16-21 June

  • Size of location: Approx 10-15 Hectares minimum

  • Preferably few permanent structures, clean space and has diverse landscape

  • Meeting regarding site: 7 January (tentative) 2020

Dear Kiez Burninverse,

We have lost our location and date at Freiland, as many of you know. We need YOUR help find a new location - so dust off that contacts list and let's get going. We are happy to start visiting new sites ASAP. The first meeting on this will be 7 January.

RSVP to the Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/582483099233676/

We need your ideas and contacts at the meeting or before!!

We lost the space due with noise/neighbours from the sound camps, plus our event so close to Freiland's own event. Yes, it is possible that we still have the Freiland location, but it would need to be much later in the year. And this has complications because...

As a co-creationist event, we rely completely on volunteers. Later in the summer the schedules become very busy (which means people are not available) and late in summer everyone is already burned out from all the partying they have already done.

An overview of needs

It would be ideal if the space was:

  • Free from 16-21 June

  • Has a good relationship with the local area (so we can actually get a permit)

  • is approximately 10-15 hectares

  • has very few if any permanent structures

  • has diverse landscape (e.g., trees and field, etc)

  • is less than 4 hours from Berlin

  • wants to build a long-term relationship with us

VERY NICE TO HAVES

  • water on the site or near the site (lake, pond, etc)

  • Is remote from neighbors and villages

  • the site owners will allow us to run our own event

  • not so many events on it's site throughout the year

If you have strong opinions, please feel free to add to the list of requirements of nice-to-haves!

Possible locations & follow-up person

(please edit when relevant)

  • Kingdom of Muckwar - Henrik?

  • Kuhlmühle

  • Jüterborg/Freqs of Nature (was previously fully booked)

  • Attila Klein Buckow - https://www.landflucht-festival.de/ - animals live on site - forestland

  • David Trümner from Fuchs & Hirsch UG (haftungsbeschränkt) from Uckeralm, he might have suggestions

  • Flugplatz Allstedt - potentially, but a lot of concrete... There is a nice area, but it is rather small for us, unless we are ok with concrete

  • Flugplatz Tultow (MonisRache) - never been

  • Ferropolis - not really, too dangerous + only concrete

  • Helen Beach Festival - Daniel Grabow - never been

  • Gelände des Arschcholio Festival bei Tollensesee - never been

  • Freakland: would definitely be possible, enough space, but lots of buildings and pre-existing general infrastructure,

  • Pütnitz Gelände - Pangea Festival - Eigentümer: Stadt Ribnitz Damgarten - they answered then that they do not want anything else to happen there

  • Berheider See - never been

  • Kiekebuschsee - would not recommend

  • Klingemühle, Friedland, Brandenburg, location of "Mit Dir" festival; looks nice, with lake, sound seems allowed: https://youtu.be/RKSIMBYLxAU and https://www.lakesidefilmfestival.com /// direct link to location: http://www.xn--klingemhle-geb.de/kontakt/

  • Freie Feldlage, Harzgerode. Been there at 250ppl event (David S), must be checked if it can host 1000 (on the website they say they can), and if any neighbours close-by. Founders are chilled. "Move Utopia" and "Undjetzt Konferenz" have been held there. http://www.gemeinschaftsstifter.info/

  • Zytanien, Lehrte, near Hannover. Been there at 3000ppl event (David S). A friendly community lives there, they regularly host big events. Permission, infrastructure and neighbour wise it should be a dream. Could easily save a ton of money on the electricity side. Maybe also storage available. https://www.zytanien.de

  • If 4h drive from Berlin is fine, as stated, definitely look into locations in Poland and Czech Republic.

Please see the Scouting Google Sheets Document with compiled information. There are three separate tabs you can click through with original list/ short list and other interesting sites or plots of land to buy.

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Saskia Mon 20 Jan 2020 5:56PM

Ok thanks for the information. :)

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walto Tue 17 Dec 2019 10:06PM

tnx, added them to the thread description above.

S

Saskia Tue 17 Dec 2019 7:36AM

Hei Ilya,

You talking Wilde Moehre Alex? (I actually do not know if he is the founder of WM, but definetly the face I connect most with the event)
In case some are unaware of this: The very first KB 2017 happened at the former Wilde Möhre Gelände. The old Gelände wasn't ideal because of its' circular shape & other reasons.
I have heard about the new area as well. Additional information: The capacity of the new Gelände seems to be around 5000 according to 'my source'. Which might be a huge overestimation, but still, it is supposed to be bigger than the old one and big enough to host us.

So that might be an interesting option and easy to organize a side trip.

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walto Sat 18 Jan 2020 5:19PM

Sounds great! If someone wants to explore that avenue, why not!?

RS

Remy Schneider Tue 17 Dec 2019 5:58PM

Hi Ilya, thanks for the idea! We have actually been to Muckwar before (the name of the new project from the WM guys) - super cool that you have a great connection with them too! Let's see what they say

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Carsten Thu 9 Jan 2020 7:09AM

ok i hope that was what you meant. If not, let me know

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walto Tue 21 Jan 2020 8:18PM

@carsten and @andreaparacucchi Kingdom of Muckwar is a forest mainly, with a lake. So I am not sure if @amihay is talking about the same location.

Here I documented the insights regarding Kingdom of Muckwar: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/oylbkFt6/location-2020/6

I would say it definitely is a candidate, if we can rent the field next to the forest (which definitely is not too wet)

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walto Fri 20 Dec 2019 5:04PM

Since we did the first Kiez Burn @the Wilde Möhre Gelände, they also know and trust us. We got out with a very positive experience, from both sides. So definitely a good basis to work from.

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walto Wed 8 Jan 2020 4:09PM

cool! Could you add it to the thread description on top?

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Vlad Mon 20 Jan 2020 6:20PM

I did some further research, a m2 of property will costs around 0.5-1 euro, however it requires quite some commitment, most likely KB eV should take charge on this.

It also seems to be a very common scenario, there are a lot of small eV who explicitly get a land of 1-2 events a year after they been to the same time of situation as we are.

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