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Mon 16 Dec 2019 7:52PM

Location 2020 - requirements + search

RS Remy Schneider Public Seen by 177

A Decision has been made

see: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/lha3QHKo/location-finalization-meeting/2

Further location discussions will take place in a new thread, since the search & finding phase has been concluded


Update: we are collecting input from the community on potential venues and their suitability to host KB2020. Please check the list, add GREAT venues and your comments on suitability if you have been to any of the venues listed. The location sheet is linked, SCOUTS meet to make shortlist by 13.01

Short Summary of Space Needs

  • Preferred dates for KB 2020: 16-21 June

  • Size of location: Approx 10-15 Hectares minimum

  • Preferably few permanent structures, clean space and has diverse landscape

  • Meeting regarding site: 7 January (tentative) 2020

Dear Kiez Burninverse,

We have lost our location and date at Freiland, as many of you know. We need YOUR help find a new location - so dust off that contacts list and let's get going. We are happy to start visiting new sites ASAP. The first meeting on this will be 7 January.

RSVP to the Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/582483099233676/

We need your ideas and contacts at the meeting or before!!

We lost the space due with noise/neighbours from the sound camps, plus our event so close to Freiland's own event. Yes, it is possible that we still have the Freiland location, but it would need to be much later in the year. And this has complications because...

As a co-creationist event, we rely completely on volunteers. Later in the summer the schedules become very busy (which means people are not available) and late in summer everyone is already burned out from all the partying they have already done.

An overview of needs

It would be ideal if the space was:

  • Free from 16-21 June

  • Has a good relationship with the local area (so we can actually get a permit)

  • is approximately 10-15 hectares

  • has very few if any permanent structures

  • has diverse landscape (e.g., trees and field, etc)

  • is less than 4 hours from Berlin

  • wants to build a long-term relationship with us

VERY NICE TO HAVES

  • water on the site or near the site (lake, pond, etc)

  • Is remote from neighbors and villages

  • the site owners will allow us to run our own event

  • not so many events on it's site throughout the year

If you have strong opinions, please feel free to add to the list of requirements of nice-to-haves!

Possible locations & follow-up person

(please edit when relevant)

  • Kingdom of Muckwar - Henrik?

  • Kuhlmühle

  • Jüterborg/Freqs of Nature (was previously fully booked)

  • Attila Klein Buckow - https://www.landflucht-festival.de/ - animals live on site - forestland

  • David Trümner from Fuchs & Hirsch UG (haftungsbeschränkt) from Uckeralm, he might have suggestions

  • Flugplatz Allstedt - potentially, but a lot of concrete... There is a nice area, but it is rather small for us, unless we are ok with concrete

  • Flugplatz Tultow (MonisRache) - never been

  • Ferropolis - not really, too dangerous + only concrete

  • Helen Beach Festival - Daniel Grabow - never been

  • Gelände des Arschcholio Festival bei Tollensesee - never been

  • Freakland: would definitely be possible, enough space, but lots of buildings and pre-existing general infrastructure,

  • Pütnitz Gelände - Pangea Festival - Eigentümer: Stadt Ribnitz Damgarten - they answered then that they do not want anything else to happen there

  • Berheider See - never been

  • Kiekebuschsee - would not recommend

  • Klingemühle, Friedland, Brandenburg, location of "Mit Dir" festival; looks nice, with lake, sound seems allowed: https://youtu.be/RKSIMBYLxAU and https://www.lakesidefilmfestival.com /// direct link to location: http://www.xn--klingemhle-geb.de/kontakt/

  • Freie Feldlage, Harzgerode. Been there at 250ppl event (David S), must be checked if it can host 1000 (on the website they say they can), and if any neighbours close-by. Founders are chilled. "Move Utopia" and "Undjetzt Konferenz" have been held there. http://www.gemeinschaftsstifter.info/

  • Zytanien, Lehrte, near Hannover. Been there at 3000ppl event (David S). A friendly community lives there, they regularly host big events. Permission, infrastructure and neighbour wise it should be a dream. Could easily save a ton of money on the electricity side. Maybe also storage available. https://www.zytanien.de

  • If 4h drive from Berlin is fine, as stated, definitely look into locations in Poland and Czech Republic.

Please see the Scouting Google Sheets Document with compiled information. There are three separate tabs you can click through with original list/ short list and other interesting sites or plots of land to buy.

W

walto Sat 18 Jan 2020 5:19PM

Sounds great! If someone wants to explore that avenue, why not!?

DU

Andrea Paracucchi Mon 20 Jan 2020 5:49PM

Field becomes mud if it Rauns. Amihay was on Location 2/3 years ago.

W

walto Tue 21 Jan 2020 8:18PM

@carsten and @andreaparacucchi Kingdom of Muckwar is a forest mainly, with a lake. So I am not sure if @amihay is talking about the same location.

Here I documented the insights regarding Kingdom of Muckwar: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/oylbkFt6/location-2020/6

I would say it definitely is a candidate, if we can rent the field next to the forest (which definitely is not too wet)

W

walto Wed 22 Jan 2020 8:40PM

sounds good :)

JS

Jeff Spirlock Fri 24 Jan 2020 3:00PM

@cjyetman Can you elaborate on Garbicz? I thought there was no border control.

CY

CJ Yetman Fri 24 Jan 2020 4:13PM

There is extreme border control, both ways, at least if you take the bus. Adds at least 1.5 hours to the travel time, and in my opinion is rather dehumanizing.

AG

Amihay Gonen Sat 25 Jan 2020 7:03PM

Said that about a different site. the wilde Möhre is fine.

W

walto Sun 26 Jan 2020 11:09PM

Given that the meeting was announced only on Facebook and with a very vague description, I would challenge that this meeting has gotten the required exposure to take a final decision on this super important topic. Maybe as a goal of the meeting, it could be to agree on a proposal for a location?

https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/lha3QHKo/location-finalization-meeting

W

walto Sun 26 Jan 2020 11:14PM

could you please add this to the thread? Edit the thread so the thread description makes sense. Imagine being a new person joining this thread. :)

RS

Remy Schneider Tue 17 Dec 2019 5:58PM

Hi Ilya, thanks for the idea! We have actually been to Muckwar before (the name of the new project from the WM guys) - super cool that you have a great connection with them too! Let's see what they say

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