February 19th, 2020 16:00

KB Code of Conduct

Hanna-Maija (Animal)
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Let's collaborate to write a Code of Conduct to Kiez Burn!

The open document for everyone to edit is here:

@Hanna-Maija (Animal) was in contact with Burning Man Chicago and they have given their permit for us to use their CoC as a base for ours (first version of the KB CoC is basically a copy of their CoC).

They wrote: "You are more than welcome to utilize our CoC! We borrowed heavily from fellow regional burns Lakes of Fire and Mosaic (linked below), and those documents were in turn written collaboratively."

Feel free to edit the doc as much as you like or leave comments. It would be great if you were logged in to Google when doing that so that we know who's commenting.

Other resources:

Hanna-Maija (Animal)

Hanna-Maija (Animal) February 19th, 2020 16:00

Started this today. Feel welcome to participate! <3

Hanna-Maija (Animal)

Hanna-Maija (Animal) February 19th, 2020 16:01



walto February 20th, 2020 20:50

moved it to "how we work together". Asking for forgiveness here rather than permission ;) Feel free to move it back if you disagree.


walto February 20th, 2020 21:08

Hey HM, thanks for this initiative. I am trying to understand a bit more of the context on this initiative. Could I maybe suggest to use the advice process template? I believe that will help us a lot in terms of getting everyone on the same page on what problems you want to solve or opportunities you want to grasp.

At the moment, to be honest, I am a bit lost as to what this document would solve or wish to accomplish.

I see it tackling several dimensions:

  • online / offline

  • main event/decompression/meetings

  • Different kind of degrees of "wrong"

  • different kinds of consequences (expulsion, not welcome later, online ???)

Some questions that come up to me:

  • how does all of this tie in the on-site protocols we have already?

  • Do we expect people to read all of this, in addition to all the other stuff that is already there?

  • what does it mean to have unacceptable behavior? Who is the judge and who is the "executor"?

  • It says this applies to online, but can we really draft a global CoC that also covers online? (e.g. "consent")

Reading through it all, I am left a bit wondering if it is not just repeating in a long text the existing principles, and then lining out what happens if you violate these, as the already existing protocols do (which do not cover decompressions, meetings or online + are not published publicly)? I would agree we need more help on that topic (what happens if an incident occurs), but maybe that is a separate topic, apart from this CoC?

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala March 8th, 2020 11:34

Here chipping into this topic I think it would be wise to implement a rather more clear code of conduct for Talk that could nourish/be nourished the Kiez Burn code of conduct values and principles


  • many actions or manners given in the online world have usually a different impact than in person. Also, humans behave slightly differently in the online world.

  • As talk is a place where to discuss and make decisions, How do we give our input, personal opinion, and objective perspectives are things it would be nice to educate.

  • many of the conflicts regarding decisions arise from the Online/Talk , if we wish to moderate that efficiently, it would need to be more specific.

  • most of our volunteering work is also done and pulled together through talk, so it's important to encourage each and celebrate others' work.

So as to pull this forward I suggest determining first What kind code of conduct are we building up here?

If its for Talk:

Maybe we wanna co-create a list of the things we would like to encourage on Talk and the things we would like to see less? and then create and adjusted-to-our-needs code of conduct. Eg.

Id like to encourage:

  • more happy react emojis

  • more clearer straight forward comments

  • more encouraging constructive comments

  • more cross to Facebook to enable more participation

Id like to see less:

  • less talk threads of the same topic spread out (i dunno if this belongs here )

  • less comments coming from a strong personal emotional pulse



walto March 11th, 2020 00:08

Code of conduct for Talk/online also mentioned in Talk moderation thread where I try to guide future Talk moderators:


walto March 13th, 2020 14:53

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala March 13th, 2020 20:23

this comes very in handy, especially the first couple of points of "communicating". Its a great content to begin with and in combination with some of our own needs related to talk itself should do the job. Then we can always keep on improving.

I read somewhere on talk that there is a sort of instructive from loomio. I dont remember where nor exactly if it had to be with this... but im pretty sure it came from you @waldo does it ring any bell?


walto March 16th, 2020 11:42

Callum unfortunately permanently deleted that and several other cocreated threads, along with content he as a then-admin could delete. He is no longer admin because of this reason.

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala March 18th, 2020 18:22

Here there is an interesting blog article from Loomio, about 5 powerful ways to use a thread on Talk.

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala March 20th, 2020 23:23

Querides: I've been reading the sources Hanna has given. Codes of conduct of different burns, everything quite towards general (event, online, offline ) but still very much useful.

My intention:

I am particularly interested in having the code of conduct for Talk ready soon. That is what I am willing to volunteer to since I am not so aware of other problematics in the event itself, I am super new in the burn community, while Talk (on Kiez Burn) has been implemented the very first year I also jumped in the community, and as this short time passed, I could see how it grew and what we wish to improve.

So I'm happy to share here soon a draft code of conduct for Kiez Burn Talk, that will need some co-creation time and inputs.

I'm willing to learn on the go as I've never done this nor even read a code of conduct until now I think. Quarantine gives me some time to dedicate to this🙂

However I came across a lot of questions while drafting the code, there are more than a couple that concern me the most :

  1. Do we wanna establish unacceptable behaviour in our Coc?

  2. What do we expect to happen when somebody violates the CoC?

  3. Where the case will be reported?

  4. Would somebody or group of humans take action of any kind?

So then: Do we need a Code of Conduct Committee? ( eventually, this committee could also contemplate offline matters)

FYI: I took this from Coc Lakes of Fire

"The Code of Conduct Committee consists of members of the community who have stepped up to document  and review conduct incidents that occurred at the event and in the year round Burning Man community that exists beyond the event.  Members have been recommended by fellow Lakes of Fire participants and are anonymous.

The committee takes in reports, offers empathetic support, assigns a case number, collects accounts from involved parties and witnesses, and – if actionable – writes a recommendation for the GLEA Board of Directors, who make the final determination. Our goal is not to determine innocence or guilt; actions taken by the Board are based on assessments of community safety and event continuity, centered on Lakes of Fire and GLEA sponsored events."