What is our theme for KB19?
Erin Jeavons-Fellows
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Here is a short-list of our Theme options for Kiez Burn 2019.
You can vote on multiple options, if they take your fancy. So long as you are happy and excited by the results, let any number of these options take your fancy.
Your votes will be anonymous, this is to make sure that you can vote for any option, and not just the one your friend asked you to vote for.
In order to keep things fair, we're not adding new voting options to this poll, as late-comers in the last poll caused discussion over fairness and now we're doing a new one. With advice from those who shared, we've taken the top 4 results of the last poll (because 3rd place was tied).
Background information for themes
Wild at heart
Who are you? Truly?
This embodies our adventurous move to a more decentralized and self-reliant event and community. We can embrace our new culture and support one another at our deepest cores. What is really important to us, once all the trappings and distractions are away?
Let's remove all the comforts of modern traditions, cultures and civilizations, and rebuild our collective from the self-out. A giant Tribe that looks out for each other on our quest to heal the damaged done by the rapid evolution of our species.
You truly are already you. Welcome home.
(f.y.i. The Effigy Team (same as last year's Effigy) has made a beautiful Effigy plan already built around this Theme)
Midsummer Nightmare
This theme is a nod to both the summer solstice and the horror of first time decentralization (Org nightmare)! Let's celebrate the precious few hours of darkness that are the heart of Kiez Burn with a theme that puns upon the Shakespeare play "A Midsummer Night's Dream", but is even more fun. Midsummer Nightmare is chock full of possibilities: naughty fairies, dark horses, creepy misfits, Amazons, humans with animal heads, illusions in the woods, and comedic ceremonial confusion! (What will be the "Wrecking Ball" blooper for 2019?)
Heimat
"Heimat" is an ironic take on quite a few things
Not only does it show that we're coming home (the burns being our natural environments) and not "going crazy once or twice a year", it also plays on traditional associations. "Heimat" would be associated with oompa oompa music, Bierzelt, weird traditions, rampant sexism and xenophobia. By assuming the title we're turning it on its head.
It's also food for thought on a greater societal discussion. I don't want to go into it too much, but on a socio-political level it offers a lot of space for interpretation. (Identity, Location, Nationality, Heritage, etc etc), hence preparing the ground for art to happen
It ain't english. Which is not a bad thing at all.
Do-Topia
I think, given the decentralization, I'd rather hit everybody IN THE FACE with the news that they have to get their asses moving.
That's basically it.
I want to be able to point at the theme, laugh out aloud and then leave when somebody or someone is complaining about anything.
It's a future investment for all highly invested but 'not carrying your ass anymore' peoples.
If you think this is overly pragmatic & the intention a bit cynic for a theme for Kiez Burn - you are probably right. :)
Poll Created Fri 8 Feb 2019 1:26PM
What is our theme? Closed Fri 22 Feb 2019 6:00PM
Ive added the initial ones from the minutes. Add more as you like and vote
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |||
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Wild at Heart | 29.3% | 27 |
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Do-topia - Utopia, but WE make it | 15.2% | 14 | JB RA H L JF JK JB J DU G SE DR KW S | ||
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Heimat (Not escape, but coming home) | 10.9% | 10 |
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Midsummer Nightmare (Dark Faeries, Tim Burton creepy) | 10.9% | 10 |
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DU
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Lost island | 7.6% | 7 |
ARQ
KD
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JH
DU
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Deep sea mysteries | 7.6% | 7 |
A
KD
JF
SM
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Ancient aliens | 4.3% | 4 | ARQ PG D(C RH | ||
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Inside the Computer | 4.3% | 4 |
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SE
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Dream Big | 3.3% | 3 | A T S | ||
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Asylum: lunatics taking over | 3.3% | 3 | ARQ T DU | ||
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Trans Form | 1.1% | 1 | S | ||
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Wild Dreams | 1.1% | 1 |
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United Dreamers | 1.1% | 1 | H | ||
| Undecided | 0% | 35 |
DU
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JT
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J
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JP
DL
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DN
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RR
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49 of 84 people have voted (58%)
Alex Kaos Sat 9 Feb 2019 10:24AM
"Wild at Heart"
-This embodies our adventurous move to a more decentralized and self-reliant event and community. We can embrace our new culture and support one another at our cores. What is really important to us, once all the trappings and distractions are away?
Let's remove all the comforts of modern traditions, cultures and civilizations, and rebuild our collective from the self-out. A giant Tribe that looks out for each other on our quest to heal by bringing balance back into the world.
tsundee Tue 12 Feb 2019 8:07AM
I am missing the option "transform" (maybe spell it "Trans Form", looks cool), and the option "dream" (without the big). Don't see how to add it.
JCK Wed 13 Feb 2019 10:29PM
Wild wild west 🔥🤠
Cris Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:32AM
Personally, I go for the topics I think will be easier/funnier to transform into costumes, deco and games, rather than those who are more of an abstract meta-description of our intentions. But if we go meta-abstract, it'd be also a fun challenge!
walto Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:03PM
I want to postpone my vote
Erin Jeavons-Fellows Fri 8 Feb 2019 1:56PM
KB is the weekend of summer solstice. Is there a poetic theme around midsummer nights dream or enchantment we could follow also? Just trying to spark ideas :)
Clément Marchand Le Poittevin Fri 8 Feb 2019 6:28PM
Should the minds behind the themes add in the details of the thread a quick description of each theme, to facilitate understanding and voting?
Saskia Tue 12 Feb 2019 9:24AM
@zan Directly under the poll / the colored bars to the right there is a (in my german version here) 'Abstimmungsoptionen hinzufügen'
Erin Jeavons-Fellows Tue 12 Feb 2019 12:59PM
@zan I added the 'Trans Form' option for you :)
I liked this one too! I think it was mentioned in the meeting.
Richard Hodkinson Tue 12 Feb 2019 7:57PM
but wild at heart is so lame and generic! Come on, the other ones, please...
[deactivated account] Wed 13 Feb 2019 11:21AM
lol "wild at heart" looks like something to find on a housewife's wall in her kitchen along with a dogeared copy of "Eat, Pray, Love", and a plan to move to Tuscany and open a souvenir shop. 😂
I'll run with the Wild part. 👍
[deactivated account] Wed 13 Feb 2019 11:22AM
😍😂😂😂😂
Till Tailor Wed 13 Feb 2019 5:06PM
Yay.. I get it... but I hate Nightmares, Lunatics-Asylums, Aliens... and Lost Island sounds like the next PiratesofCarribeans-Episode... So I changed my vote to Heimat! And of course your WildatHeart-critique is valid for this one too... :-)
Julian Finn Wed 13 Feb 2019 6:56PM
So here's my case for "Heimat" which I proposed:
- "Heimat" is an ironic take on quite a few things
- Not only does it show that we're coming home (the burns being our natural environments) and not "going crazy once or twice a year", it also plays on traditional associations. "Heimat" would be associated with oompa oompa music, Bierzelt, weird traditions, rampant sexism and xenophobia. By assuming the title we're turning it on its head.
- It's also food for thought on a greater societal discussion. I don't want to go into it too much, but on a socio-political level it offers a lot of space for interpretation. (Identity, Location, Nationality, Heritage, etc etc), hence preparing the ground for art to happen
- It ain't english. Which is not a bad thing at all.
Bobschi Fri 15 Feb 2019 12:39PM
Sold. Changed my vote, I like this perspective a lot.
Quentin Wed 13 Feb 2019 8:10PM
More than a (final) name, we are choosing on a theme. We could keep the theme/concept of "wild at heart"- which seems to be the preferred one from the vote - and just adapt the name to something a bit less 'housewife' :)
What do you think ?
Erin Jeavons-Fellows Thu 14 Feb 2019 9:52PM
Hello everyone. We spoke tonight in the precompression kick off the theme for KiezBurn 2019 should be chosen by the 22nd which is the evening of the dreams platform kick off. I have adjusted the poll to reflect this. Everyone please vote!
Saskia Sun 17 Feb 2019 10:47AM
Making my stand for the do-topia topic:
I think, given the decentralization, I'd rather hit everybody IN THE FACE with the news that they have to get their asses moving.
That's basically it.
I want to be able to point at the theme, laugh out aloud and then leave when somebody or someone is complaining about anything.
It's a future investment for all highly invested but 'not carrying your ass anymore' peoples.
If you think this is overly pragmatic & the intention a bit cynic for a theme for Kiez Burn - you are probably right. :)
Julian Finn Mon 18 Feb 2019 9:30PM
I want to propose that we choose the two or three top themes and make another poll with them. right now "wild at heart" has the most votes but only about 35% overall. just want to prvent a theme that the majority disagrees with.
Saskia Tue 19 Feb 2019 10:03AM
I like the idea. Also setting this next vote up as a ranked choice or dot vote instead of simple majority vote which provide more granular results. But that's just my suggestion (& I will not put up the 2nd vote).
Alex Kaos Tue 19 Feb 2019 11:03AM
Seeing as we're fusing statistics and opinions here, let's get the numbers straight:
-At this point 54% of 80 people have voted. That's 43 people
- 23 votes have gone to "wild at heart", that's 54% of the voters (not 35%).
- the event will host 1000 people, so if everyone who came into this thread voted, the decision made would entail 8% of the whole burn, which is very far from a majority
- the next runner up 'do-topia' got 13 votes = 30% of the voters like it.
- that makes a lead of 66%, or what could otherwise be known as 'statistically significant'
- because users can vote for multiple options this is already similar to a 'dot vote' system.
I personally think this look pretty clear. But (disclaimer alert) I voted for 'Wild at Heart". Who knows how I would portray this information if the idea I didn't vote for was clearly on top.
To the best of my knowledge, my previous statements are factual. Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake there.
Julian Finn Tue 19 Feb 2019 12:09PM
i'm not even advocating for or against a particular theme. i was however confused because i assumed that everybody just had one vote and not multiple. (hence 23 being 35% of the votes, not the voters) in any case i'd still stick with my proposal to do a runoff between the top two or three themes
Fiete Tue 19 Feb 2019 9:11PM
Maybe it would also be possible to merge the top three or so :thinking:
Henrik 🤖 Thu 21 Feb 2019 7:34PM
the votes are biased, because entries added later in the poll didn't get the same visibility as the first couple of options. What if someone added an option a few hours before the poll closes? There is no chance to notify everyone who participated to consider this new option as well.
also: "Wild at Heart" got an unfair advantage, as it was proposed in the Kickoff meeting in front of a mid-sized audience right after the announcement that we actually are looking for a theme. No dismissing the Top 1 choice here (although I have this image of Jeff Bridges throwing a horny look at me every time I hear this phrase), but the voting wasn't fair among all the options.
There is no disadvantage to postponing the actual decision by a week or two.
walto Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:06PM
I voted for postponement
Karlo Walz Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:30PM
I see „wild at heart“ sounds for me childish. Is this important? No!
The theme is not important for me and others too but it is a bit of a sisappointment that this theme looks line a slogan for an advertisment for smoking or drinking gin or a club med.
it is a „want to be statement“ similar line - if you will join you will be wild at heart snd you can tag yourself like this. you do not need to do something you can be proud it us enough to join kiezburn.
no- i don‘t lkne this hheme
no it is not important for me!
Quentin Fri 22 Feb 2019 1:39AM
How about merging your ideas above :
We (1) postpone the decision (2) do a second round of vote with the top 3 to 5 themes from the first round and (3) do this poll on the FB group so we get way more people voting and be more inclusive.
walto Fri 22 Feb 2019 6:39PM
Our philosophy is "consensual do-ocracy".
- Anyone should be able to make any decision regarding Kiez Burn (like the theme)
- However, before you make a decision, you must ask advice from those who will be impacted by that decision, and those who are experts on that subject (like this poll)
- Assuming that you follow this process, and honestly try to listen to the advice of others, that advice is yours to evaluate and the decision yours to make.
I think it's great we started discussing the topic instead of waiting till just before the event as we did before. However, it seems the advice needs further fine-tuning and we should refrain from taking a decision too quickly, or?
Poll Created Mon 25 Feb 2019 5:28PM
Do we re-vote on the Theme for KB 2019? Closed Thu 28 Feb 2019 4:00PM
[propsal outcome by Alex]
Ok Guys. It looks like we have minor majority. In the interest of widening the argument it seems wise to re-vote on the Theme along with the release of the Dreams Platform and the first few Newsletters, giving everyone a chance to vote (and re-vote if they choose).
It appears there are more voices interested in a 'limited selection' vote as opposed to Henrik's Block suggestion. (do we do another poll to decide on who get's to be in the final selection? I'm all for fairness, but part of that is recognizing that hungry participants who are committed early generally contribute more than those late to the game).
Let's roll this thing out again. Multiple votes per person actually makes sense, as if you would be happy with 2 of the options you should be able to choose them.
[end of proposal outcome by alex]
[comment by henrik]
In the name of nitpicky fairness, I'd like to comment on this outcome.
It looks like we have minor majority.
not true. almost two thirds of the people who made a decision (or actually care) about this voted for a re-vote. that's a major majority.
It appears there are more voices interested in a 'limited selection' vote as opposed to Henrik's Block suggestion.
we don't know that. If you give people the option to decide between option A or B, only a very small percentage - if any at all - will go for option C. You don't know how many people prefer this suggestion unless you make it an actual option.
And why is there no way to straightforward way to comment on proposal outcomes?
:thinking:
[end of henrik's comment]
PLEASE READ
Here are the results from our initial Poll. 50 people voted. These results are percentages of Voters, as voters could vote for multiple themes (i.e. 28/50 = 56% of voters voted for this option)
1 - Wild at Heart - 56%
2 - Do-topia - Utopia, but WE make it - 28%
3 - Heimat (Not escape, but coming home) - 20%
3 - Midsummer Nightmare (Dark Faeries, Tim Burton creepy) - 20%
4 - Lost Island - 14%
4 - Deep sea mysteries - 14%
5 - Inside the Computer - 10%
6 - Ancient aliens - 8%
7 - Asylum: lunatics taking over & Dream Big- 6%
8 - Trans Form, Wild Dreams, United Dreamers - each 4%
Not everyone was satisfied with these results. And as a Brit from the 'remain' camp, I wish to support those that feel they've been fucked over by the voting process.
- 5% (50) of this years total burn population voted in this Theme poll, which is about double the amount that voted on last years theme.
YES = Take the top 4 and run with them
NO = I can read the statistics, why are we doing this?
Also, leave a comment if you think we should Vote on Here or on Facebook (in the event we do re-vote). I don't think we can run both.
- Pro's of Facebook = More reach
- Pro's of Talk = Higher quality votes from more reliable Participants. We can also use this to move more users onto Talk (which we will need for effective organization of the event)
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |
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Agree | 57.1% | 16 |
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JB
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| Abstain | 17.9% | 5 |
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JH
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| Disagree | 21.4% | 6 | RR BS N CML AK H | |
| Block | 3.6% | 1 | H | |
| Undecided | 0% | 58 |
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28 of 86 people have voted (32%)
Alex Kaos
Mon 25 Feb 2019 5:39PM
I see clear landslide. But would prefer to see the re-vote done on Talk.
Erin Jeavons-Fellows
Mon 25 Feb 2019 6:04PM
Voting on fb would include more people
Clément Marchand Le Poittevin
Mon 25 Feb 2019 6:19PM
I think the voting system, although not perfect, was good and let people the possibility to change their vote if they wished to, as some did.
Wild at Heart has roughly double the votes of the second theme proposal, this is imo a clear enough lead and indicator of the wish of the community!
If we do end up revoting, I would say it's best to vote on Talk, as people take more time to make themselves a well enough matured decision than on a FB poll :)
Saskia
Mon 25 Feb 2019 7:13PM
I do understand statistics but I also do know the dreadful 'Methodenlehre'. And in fact the original polling set up was biased and skewed. The reasons for this have been outlined by Hendrik & Waldo & a couple of others.
I would also like to poke the community and friends to vote for the topic here on loomio because fuck the FB group. People are looking podcast interview partners there. Why should they have a say in the theme of an event they don't attend at?
Pfffffff.
walto
Mon 25 Feb 2019 7:16PM
let's vote again, but PLEEAAAASE keep it on Talk. We want to pull more people to talk and facebook is just a mess really.... and bad for polling (I can share an article on this later how the option that gets the most votes in the first hour, almost always wins, whatever the options)
Helena
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:27PM
I'm fine with this choice. There will also be next year...next chance
[deactivated account]
Tue 26 Feb 2019 12:24AM
no Brexit here please ;) YES for a clearer re-vote, as the first round was smoggy indeed. Perhaps just to make sure we stick to best practice especially when it comes to voting. Fun fact: I discovered in this awesome podcast (https://www.russellbrand.com/podcast/ep-49-yanis-varoufakis-euro-power-man-knows/) that in true democracy the elective voting was a...... lottery! :o
Till Tailor
Tue 26 Feb 2019 8:29AM
I don't really care that much... although I see a clear winner and a theme, I understand that the core-orga has a wish to repeat... so let's repeat! - But do it on TALK... - People need candys to get away from fb and a vote is such a candy!
Bobschi
Tue 26 Feb 2019 3:43PM
I don't think “not being satisfied with the result” is enough cause for a revote. I've read @henrik's comment on the original vote, though, and I'm with him on a lot of aspects: if the options change during the vote, the vote is skewed. If we do the vote again, let's do it with a fixed set of options.
“Wild at Heart” has a lot of potential for fun. Imagine “deine Mudda” going full 50 Shades.
Going to Facebook is a hard no go for me, let's keep this on talk, where things can be found again.
Jaina Hirai
Tue 26 Feb 2019 6:24PM
I think it should be on Talk, not Facebook.
River Aleks
Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:09PM
I wish more people knew about it and we had all the submissions from the start
Henrik 🤖
Wed 27 Feb 2019 11:25PM
A third option is missing:
We could do a second round of votings with all the options that were added during the first round and this time you can't add any more options.
The invitation to vote for the theme will then be shared in the newsletter, in all Kiez Burn related Facebook groups (including those of Kieze and sattelite events) with a clear message prepared by the communications team.
I promise you, we will have more than 5% of the Kiez Burn population participating ☑️
Remy Schneider Thu 28 Feb 2019 7:53AM
Hey folks (esp. @erinjeavonsfellows )- just a note that this thread is linked to our Newsletter which is going to be sent out on Friday - just a note in case we decide NOT to vote any more, then we should take it out of the newsletter ;)
Quentin Fri 1 Mar 2019 12:45PM
Results of the pool look indeed clear to me and I wouldn't revote.
If a revote is decided - after reading all your comments - I totally get your point of not doing it on FB and therefore also agree with doing it on Talk !
Poll Created Fri 1 Mar 2019 4:54PM
Kiez Burn 2019 Theme Closed Sun 31 Mar 2019 10:00PM
So, it is final. "Wild at Heart" is significantly the most desired theme option for this year.
Forget all you know, and redesign your image of yourself in the light of a judgment-free tribe that is surviving the environmental backdrop of a de-evolved spices. Now we can embrace our inner Bonobos, and revel in the bounty of our jungle.
Bring your outfits, or don't, for the Wild at Heart hold the Wild in our Hearts, and no amount of traffic or buildings or burocracy can take that away from us.
Remember to release your inner spirit animal with full force at Burn time, we are here, and we are listening X X X
Here is a short-list of our Theme options for Kiez Burn 2019.
How we vote
You can vote on multiple options, if they take your fancy. So long as you are happy and excited by the results, let any number of these options take your fancy.
Your votes will be anonymous, this is to make sure that you can vote for any option, and not just the one your friend asked you to vote for.
In order to keep things fair, we're not adding new voting options to this poll, as late-comers in the last poll caused discussion over fairness and now we're doing a new one. With advice from those who shared, we've taken the top 4 results of the last poll (because 3rd place was tied).
Background information for themes
Wild at heart
Who are you? Truly?
This embodies our adventurous move to a more decentralized and self-reliant event and community. We can embrace our new culture and support one another at our deepest cores. What is really important to us, once all the trappings and distractions are away?
Let's remove all the comforts of modern traditions, cultures and civilizations, and rebuild our collective from the self-out. A giant Tribe that looks out for each other on our quest to heal the damaged done by the rapid evolution of our species.
You truly are already you. Welcome home.
Midsummer Nightmare
This theme is a nod to both the summer solstice and the horror of first time decentralization (Org nightmare)! Let's celebrate the precious few hours of darkness that are the heart of Kiez Burn with a theme that puns upon the Shakespeare play "A Midsummer Night's Dream", but is even more fun. Midsummer Nightmare is chock full of possibilities: naughty fairies, dark horses, creepy misfits, Amazons, humans with animal heads, illusions in the woods, and comedic ceremonial confusion! (What will be the "Wrecking Ball" blooper for 2019?)
Heimat
"Heimat" is an ironic take on quite a few things
Not only does it show that we're coming home (the burns being our natural environments) and not "going crazy once or twice a year", it also plays on traditional associations. "Heimat" would be associated with oompa oompa music, Bierzelt, weird traditions, rampant sexism and xenophobia. By assuming the title we're turning it on its head.
It's also food for thought on a greater societal discussion. I don't want to go into it too much, but on a socio-political level it offers a lot of space for interpretation. (Identity, Location, Nationality, Heritage, etc etc), hence preparing the ground for art to happen
It ain't english. Which is not a bad thing at all.
Do-Topia
I think, given the decentralization, I'd rather hit everybody IN THE FACE with the news that they have to get their asses moving.
That's basically it.
I want to be able to point at the theme, laugh out aloud and then leave when somebody or someone is complaining about anything.
It's a future investment for all highly invested but 'not carrying your ass anymore' peoples.
If you think this is overly pragmatic & the intention a bit cynic for a theme for Kiez Burn - you are probably right. :)
Results
| Results | Option | % of points | Voters | |||
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Wild at Heart | 45.5% | 40 | |||
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Do-Topia | 18.2% | 16 | |||
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Heimat | 18.2% | 16 | |||
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Midsummer Nightmares | 18.2% | 16 | |||
| Undecided | 0% | 60 |
59 of 119 people have voted (49%)
Anonymous Sun 3 Mar 2019 3:05PM
Because it’s sexy to be rebellious and positiv and wildly radical self reliant... at heart :p
Anonymous Tue 5 Mar 2019 10:22PM
No nightmare, pleeease! Could realy get horrible for sensitive or trippy people.
Anonymous Wed 6 Mar 2019 2:42PM
I really like this one. That was actually a big AHA moment for me when a greeter greeted me at my first burn with a warm and big WELCOME HOME !
For me Burns are places where everyone can fit in the way he/she is- shy, energetic, open, old, poor, expressive.. whatsoever and this is the reason why it is a home. Cause you dont have to be different from yourself but you have the option- cause it´s your home <3 - and without YOU this place would be your place to be (participation ;) )
Anonymous Wed 6 Mar 2019 10:39PM
POSTPONE VOTE
Julian Finn Fri 1 Mar 2019 4:58PM
Wouldn't it be nice to have a short explanation for every topic so that people understand the idea behind it? :)
Alex Kaos Fri 1 Mar 2019 6:03PM
I had it on the top from the beginning no? Is it not visible on your screen?
Julian Finn Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:52PM
now it is thx
walto Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:24PM
haha, all of these theme have to do with our changed org. I did not realize. That is crazy :D
Erin Jeavons-Fellows · Fri 8 Feb 2019 1:37PM
Ive added the initial ones from the minutes. Add more as you like and vote!