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Fire Safety

Purzel
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Feel free to discuss and ask anything about Fire safety and the company that guards our outside parameters.

I hereby set the final rules for using a gas cooker while kiezburn, given that we end up with the expexted fire hazard level of 4 or 5.

-The gas cooker need to have a stable standing itself. A lot of the more simple versions are shaped like a tower, together with a pot of food, this will be to wobbly and likely to tip over. Those won´t be allowed.

-It needs to be on a normal height table (to have it far from the ground) that has a stable standing (no clumsy hippie can tip it over).

-A valid fireextinguisher needs to stand next to it. It needs to have at least 6l and must be placed visible and easible accessible. If you don't get a new one for 2021, please make sure that they are still valid (usually 2 years)

All those requirements will be checked and enforced.

Free campers

Kieze (registered theme camps) register with the org and have a fixed site placement before the event. This facilitates the Safety Lead and Fire Lead etc. to easily follow the map to each Kiez to verify the safety of their kitchen setup and check each one off of a list. Additionally, the Fire Department has requested that the org put 1000L of non-drinking water in containers within reach of a standard sized fire hose of every kitchen or fire usage, which is logistically feasible and easy for the org to optimize for Kieze because because we know where they will be.

For free campers, this situation is quite different because typically the org has little to no insight into who and what is going on in the free campers area. If you are a free camper and you intend to build a kitchen on-site according to the rules above, please also consider these differences between free campers and Kieze, and how that impacts your safety and the safety of the event, as well as the additional responsibility it adds to the org. We will potentially have up to 400 free campers this year at Kiez Burn, which is a lot of people and a huge safety concern. You are encouraged, for instance, to reach out to the Fire Lead @Purzel and discuss your fire/safety plans with him. It would be good to reach out to the Safety Lead who will be doing the kitchen checks and maybe schedule a time or otherwise organize with them a way for them to come and verify the safety of your kitchen. It might be good to check with the Site Planning Lead @Cairn (Clément) to know where critical resources will be placed (like these 1000L water containers) so that you can at least try to build your kitchen in close proximity to them. Please keep in mind that Kiez Burn is not like commercial festivals where a central org plans and prepares all the necessary infrastructure and simply communicates to the participants where these resources are available. Instead the baseline expectation is that all participants are co-creators of the event and we all participate together in making the event happen, which means both making it fun and making it safe!

Purzel

Purzel July 30th, 2021 13:48

As long you meet the requirements I'm cool 😊

Thank you for checking in ❤

Sophie

Sophie July 30th, 2021 11:48

Yes, exactly :) Cool! Thank you!! And just to make sure: I'm asking for a free camping situation, not a Kiez kitchen. Is that ok?

Purzel

Purzel July 28th, 2021 15:47

I assume the gas cooker is kind of attached or included the drawer?

Sounds like a good set up to me 😊

Sophie

Sophie July 28th, 2021 13:17

We have a camper with a "Heckküche" installed in the trunk that you pull out on a very stable drawer. It runs on gas, is as high as a normal table and we can get a fire extinguisher. however, when you cook, you are not inside the van. Is this still in line with the proposed fire safety measures?

Purzel

Purzel July 23rd, 2021 19:34

It's fine, whether it's 6 l or 6 kg, you'll have a Production month printed on and after that it's valid for 2 years.

You'll be all sefe with a new one 😊

Julian

Julian July 23rd, 2021 13:47

@Purzel Fire extinguisher topic

Can you please confirm that a new 6KG ABC powder Fire extinguisher from Bauhaus is fine?

My doubts are: it's 6kg and not 6L, and there is no "check" certificate. It's just new and factory checked.

Purzel

Purzel July 20th, 2021 14:45

Yes please, let's arrange the all the details for my areas on telegram, when I have my notes. 😊

Kate

Kate July 20th, 2021 14:39

As far as I know, in 2019 we had a call with the Amt on site to confirm fire regulations and then act accordingly – can you give us a deadline for this in 2021 @Purzel, maybe we can do this on Wednesday before the official event starts? I doubt they can foresee weather conditions by now 😉

👤

Anonymous July 15th, 2021 17:00

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala July 9th, 2021 10:05

Feel free Give me the content and I can make an announcement on behalf of kiezburn fb account. And link your thread and your name on it. Up to you!🙌

Purzel

Purzel July 9th, 2021 03:09

Go ahead 😊

CJ Yetman

CJ Yetman July 8th, 2021 20:44

Do you mind if I edit this post so that it makes it more clear that while we’d like to check and enforce these things in the free camper zone, that practicality of that is pretty low since we have no idea who or where the free camper kitchens might be built?

Purzel

Purzel July 8th, 2021 19:41

I'll try to make another shout out towards the participants (mail or telegram) to remind them about the rules and where they can ask questions. hopefully that will avoid some discussions on site.

CJ Yetman

CJ Yetman July 8th, 2021 17:19

Unfortunately, I think that’s part of the problem… typically the org has zero warning or insight into what free campers are planning or doing.

Purzel

Purzel July 8th, 2021 16:09

I included the link to this thread in the description, dont know how to merge it more.

I´m trying to stay updated to discussions on fb and here but it seems to me there is not much happening. do you know if and where they organise?

CJ Yetman

CJ Yetman July 8th, 2021 15:22

please also read and consider the info and suggestions in this thread: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/Nj7rnJMc/free-campers-alone-together-co-creation-coordination

@purzel maybe we can merge some of this info?

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala July 8th, 2021 13:22

Actually I think a few freecampers came together to fund house of plenty. Isn't it true @Erin Jeavons-Fellows ?

Purzel

Purzel July 6th, 2021 17:21

Feel free to contact me when you finalize the manual, if you want me input 😊

Jessie

Jessie July 6th, 2021 16:58

We will update that in our manual and brief the Rangers to check for that.

Purzel

Purzel July 1st, 2021 12:45

Yes this will apply for everyone, that's why we're trying to spread this information widely.

I understand that it's almost impossible for a free camper with a backpack to accomplish this.

We encourage everyone to either join or Fund a camp, another possible solution would be that one or more freecamper steps up and creates a kitchen for free camper.

Unfortunately so far nobody did and the Korg doesn't have the capacities.

Vlnolam

Vlnolam July 1st, 2021 10:21

Ok. For everyone, also for unregistered camps vulgo freecampers?

Jan-Christian Kaspareit

Jan-Christian Kaspareit June 24th, 2021 13:15

I know some people disagree and this is kind of the antithesis to radical self reliance :-)

Does anyone have other opinions, ideas,...?

This would obviously need some people to realize this idea. And also a relatively small number of freecampers.

So create more camps, people! It's fun anyway!

Purzel

Purzel June 24th, 2021 13:11

Sounds like a really nice solution and I would prefer that a lot, compared to annoying hungry free campers about their individual set up <3

Jan-Christian Kaspareit

Jan-Christian Kaspareit June 24th, 2021 13:05

I agree with you. I would not consider a "beer tent table" solid.
But it's not too hard to build a solid table, eg. screw an OSB board on top of some pallets. Could be a nice project for a small camp located around the freecamping area.
Add some spices and kitchen utensils and this would be a really cool camp :-)

Purzel

Purzel June 24th, 2021 12:41

they agreed to set a massive sprinkler couple of times over the day, using lake water to refresh us <3

(dont know where else to publish it)

Purzel

Purzel June 24th, 2021 12:37

Yes, a Bierzeltgarniturtisch (I don´t know the english word) I consider dodgy in terms of stable stand.

It will be a hassle to check on this in the free camping area but maybe I can get support from wanderers @Jessie

Jan-Christian Kaspareit

Jan-Christian Kaspareit June 24th, 2021 12:26

This means that the Koffer-style gas cookers would be allowed if placed on a solid table? These things are cheap and easy to bring for free campers as well.

So just the table + fire-extinguisher problem remains, but even this should be possible to arrange for free campers.

Purzel

Purzel June 24th, 2021 12:04

I hereby set the final rules for using a gas cooker while kiezburn, given that we end up with the expexted fire hazard level of 4 or 5.

-The gas cooker need to have a stable standing itself. A lot of the more simple versions are shaped like a tower, together with a pot of food, this will be to wobbly and likely to tip over. Those won´t be allowed.

-It needs to be on a normal height table (to have it far from the ground) that has a stable standing (no clumsy hippie can tip it over).

-A valid fireextinguisher needs to stand next to it. It needs to have at least 6l and must be placed visible and easible accessible. If you don't get a new one for 2021, please make sure that they are still valid (usually 2 years)

All those requirements will be checked and enforced.

@Nora Flora

@Erin Jeavons-Fellows

@Veroca R. Sala

@Stefan Rothenhausler

@Kate The FD will follow the Amt, deciding if this is approvable on the official side, we might have to comunicate with them about those rules and wether they allow us to use gas cooker under those restrictions.

(I´m ready to answer follow up questions only here on Talk, as my other communication channels are already swamped with KB buisness)

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala June 21st, 2021 20:32

Il also Tag the Safety requirements and safety assessment leads @adrien le Potteinvin ( Not on talk yet) & @Stefan Rothenhausler ( onsite lead) to ensure the Kieze have

a proper kitchen surface with all these. Would you document this, please? Thanks!

Purzel

Purzel June 21st, 2021 20:13

After talking to the Fire Marshalls during Spark, we will most likely have to ban any gas cookers for free camper based on the fire level (4 or 5) that is expected in august.

We need to put out the word ASAP and broadly to inform the free campers about it as it will have a big impact on self reliance for them. By informing them early it gives them the chance to look for a camp, fund a camp or start a initiative for a free camper comunal kitchen.

@Erin Jeavons-Fellows

@Nora Flora

@Veroca R. Sala

Gas cooker beeing used in camps are fine as they'll have a decent kitschen (stable table, fire extingiusher and such)

I wonder how we can comunicate it to avoid misunderstandings and discussions on site and whether we should inform camps as well that their kitchen needs to align a certain standard.

Veroca R. Sala

Veroca R. Sala June 21st, 2021 19:49

here updates @Purzel

Bee

Bee June 21st, 2021 11:57

Will they spray us with their giant hoses 😏😉