they agreed to set a massive sprinkler couple of times over the day, using lake water to refresh us <3

(dont know where else to publish it)

Il also Tag the Safety requirements and safety assessment leads @adrien le Potteinvin ( Not on talk yet) & @Stefan Rothenhausler ( onsite lead) to ensure the Kieze have

a proper kitchen surface with all these. Would you document this, please? Thanks!

As long you meet the requirements I'm cool 😊

Thank you for checking in ❤

Sounds like a really nice solution and I would prefer that a lot, compared to annoying hungry free campers about their individual set up <3

I know some people disagree and this is kind of the antithesis to radical self reliance :-)

Does anyone have other opinions, ideas,...?

This would obviously need some people to realize this idea. And also a relatively small number of freecampers.

So create more camps, people! It's fun anyway!

Yes this will apply for everyone, that's why we're trying to spread this information widely.

I understand that it's almost impossible for a free camper with a backpack to accomplish this.

We encourage everyone to either join or Fund a camp, another possible solution would be that one or more freecamper steps up and creates a kitchen for free camper.

Unfortunately so far nobody did and the Korg doesn't have the capacities.

It's fine, whether it's 6 l or 6 kg, you'll have a Production month printed on and after that it's valid for 2 years.

You'll be all sefe with a new one 😊

We will update that in our manual and brief the Rangers to check for that.

Actually I think a few freecampers came together to fund house of plenty. Isn't it true @Erin Jeavons-Fellows ?

I included the link to this thread in the description, dont know how to merge it more.

I´m trying to stay updated to discussions on fb and here but it seems to me there is not much happening. do you know if and where they organise?

Unfortunately, I think that’s part of the problem… typically the org has zero warning or insight into what free campers are planning or doing.

Feel free to contact me when you finalize the manual, if you want me input 😊

I'll try to make another shout out towards the participants (mail or telegram) to remind them about the rules and where they can ask questions. hopefully that will avoid some discussions on site.

Do you mind if I edit this post so that it makes it more clear that while we’d like to check and enforce these things in the free camper zone, that practicality of that is pretty low since we have no idea who or where the free camper kitchens might be built?

Go ahead 😊

Feel free Give me the content and I can make an announcement on behalf of kiezburn fb account. And link your thread and your name on it. Up to you!🙌

As far as I know, in 2019 we had a call with the Amt on site to confirm fire regulations and then act accordingly – can you give us a deadline for this in 2021 @Purzel, maybe we can do this on Wednesday before the official event starts? I doubt they can foresee weather conditions by now 😉

Yes please, let's arrange the all the details for my areas on telegram, when I have my notes. 😊

I assume the gas cooker is kind of attached or included the drawer?

Sounds like a good set up to me 😊

Yes, exactly :) Cool! Thank you!! And just to make sure: I'm asking for a free camping situation, not a Kiez kitchen. Is that ok?

I agree with you. I would not consider a "beer tent table" solid.
But it's not too hard to build a solid table, eg. screw an OSB board on top of some pallets. Could be a nice project for a small camp located around the freecamping area.
Add some spices and kitchen utensils and this would be a really cool camp :-)

Yes, a Bierzeltgarniturtisch (I don´t know the english word) I consider dodgy in terms of stable stand.

It will be a hassle to check on this in the free camping area but maybe I can get support from wanderers @Jessie

We have a camper with a "Heckküche" installed in the trunk that you pull out on a very stable drawer. It runs on gas, is as high as a normal table and we can get a fire extinguisher. however, when you cook, you are not inside the van. Is this still in line with the proposed fire safety measures?

@Purzel Fire extinguisher topic

Can you please confirm that a new 6KG ABC powder Fire extinguisher from Bauhaus is fine?

My doubts are: it's 6kg and not 6L, and there is no "check" certificate. It's just new and factory checked.

please also read and consider the info and suggestions in this thread: https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/Nj7rnJMc/free-campers-alone-together-co-creation-coordination

@purzel maybe we can merge some of this info?

Ok. For everyone, also for unregistered camps vulgo freecampers?

This means that the Koffer-style gas cookers would be allowed if placed on a solid table? These things are cheap and easy to bring for free campers as well.

So just the table + fire-extinguisher problem remains, but even this should be possible to arrange for free campers.

I hereby set the final rules for using a gas cooker while kiezburn, given that we end up with the expexted fire hazard level of 4 or 5.

-The gas cooker need to have a stable standing itself. A lot of the more simple versions are shaped like a tower, together with a pot of food, this will be to wobbly and likely to tip over. Those won´t be allowed.

-It needs to be on a normal height table (to have it far from the ground) that has a stable standing (no clumsy hippie can tip it over).

-A valid fireextinguisher needs to stand next to it. It needs to have at least 6l and must be placed visible and easible accessible. If you don't get a new one for 2021, please make sure that they are still valid (usually 2 years)

All those requirements will be checked and enforced.

@Nora Flora

@Erin Jeavons-Fellows

@Veroca R. Sala

@Stefan Rothenhausler

@Kate The FD will follow the Amt, deciding if this is approvable on the official side, we might have to comunicate with them about those rules and wether they allow us to use gas cooker under those restrictions.

(I´m ready to answer follow up questions only here on Talk, as my other communication channels are already swamped with KB buisness)

After talking to the Fire Marshalls during Spark, we will most likely have to ban any gas cookers for free camper based on the fire level (4 or 5) that is expected in august.

We need to put out the word ASAP and broadly to inform the free campers about it as it will have a big impact on self reliance for them. By informing them early it gives them the chance to look for a camp, fund a camp or start a initiative for a free camper comunal kitchen.

@Erin Jeavons-Fellows

@Nora Flora

@Veroca R. Sala

Gas cooker beeing used in camps are fine as they'll have a decent kitschen (stable table, fire extingiusher and such)

I wonder how we can comunicate it to avoid misunderstandings and discussions on site and whether we should inform camps as well that their kitchen needs to align a certain standard.

here updates @Purzel

Will they spray us with their giant hoses 😏😉