Human Transport Planning

craig white
craig white Public Seen by 159

Hi all my Name is Craig White and i will be organising the transport for this years burn with any help from others welcome. I will be receiving a handover from last years team next week to help me with the process.

We need to decide what days the buses go and what times. So please give your opinions in this thread

I am also looking for anyone who speaks German who might be able to help with the communication with the bus companies.

:raised_hands: Burners that need transportation to site on SATURDAY the 15th and back to Berlin on Wednesday the 23th sign up :pray:

The Lord of Fire (Schatzmeister)

The Lord of Fire (Schatzmeister) May 4th, 2019 08:05

Hey Craig, excellent news, I'm very glad to hear that!
Just an update from Finance. We haven't budgeted in Human Transportation this year, as it is a seperate and additional cost. We should be able to front the funding needed to get the buses, but It's quite important that those funds return to the kitty. We can use the Bank account to handle Bus-Ticket purchases as well to simplify things. If you have any finance related questions feel free to email at

all the best,


David May 9th, 2019 09:43

Hi Craig. It might be practical to fill the buses for the way there and the way back separately - meaning, separating the ticket sale for the way there from the tickets for the way back. As quite a few people will be involved either in build or strike, it would be great to be able to purchase a ticket only for one way.

craig white

craig white May 10th, 2019 12:47

Ok noted David. Any idea of the best way of getting numbers / best days for build bus and strike bus?

craig white

craig white May 10th, 2019 12:47

Cheers Alex. Just to confirm you are saying

We can use the Kiez burn account to book the buses with money already in there? - the money from the bus tickets will go back into that account to replenish the funds of Kiez?


Cris May 11th, 2019 09:39

Build starts on Saturday the 15th in the morning and strikes goes until Wednesday 26th (whole day). Last year's build bus was (at least one) on Friday around afternoon?
Thanks for doing this!

Giulia Dalicco

Giulia Dalicco May 13th, 2019 09:00

Are the buses starting just from Berlin or are you planning to get some from Hamburg? :)


David May 14th, 2019 00:59

Regarding numbers: If a big bus company provides the service, they will have many different bus sizes available. Hence, you could get a quote from them for transporting, say, 100, 200 or 300 people back and forth. You could then sell an open amount of bus tickets for eg. 2 different times to go and come back (add a financial buffer to the per-person price of the quote the bus company gave you), and then once you see how many people bought tickets for each date (make the sales deadline early enough!), you could provide the bus company with the numbers and they will say that they would bring eg. 4x 50 seater buses and 1x 40 seater bus (etc.) to provide as exactly for the amount of people as possible. You'll have a small surplus of seats then, and could release the remaining seats for sale once the main sale finished. Then, ideally, all buses will be close to full. For estimating the numbers, look at last year's numbers, and scale them up according to how many more tickets were sold this year (more than last year). Also try to get info from the ticket sales database to see how many people are located in Berlin and how many somewhere else. I guess with the (in this regard low number) of attendees for a bigger scale event in makes sense to focus on providing multiple bus times from Berlin, and ask people to come to Berlin by themselves before? (I could be wrong about that, but I'm assuming most attendees come either from Berlin or it's kind of easy for them to reach Berlin.)

Jessy W

Jessy W May 14th, 2019 20:58

Hello lovelies, I am looking for a seat in a car or on a bus for Build weekend! I need to be on site to lead the Ranger HQ build and for the Saloon build, so this would be greatly appreciated, and would really help make some great projects happen much more effortlessly. All my non-personal items are already going in a big truck. Ideally looking for two spaces so me and @saskia31 can stay together but also looking for solo spots.

Jessy W

Jessy W May 14th, 2019 20:59

For a bus i would vote for a Bus heading up on Saturday or Sunday.


waldo May 15th, 2019 13:40

Given that we are now 1 month before the event, is it still realistic to plan human transport including the whole ticket part?

craig white

craig white May 15th, 2019 14:42

Having never done this before i have no idea how long the ticket part takes

craig white

craig white May 15th, 2019 14:56

i've passed the Berlin bus dates and times over to ticketing. I'm unsure how long that turn around is. Have asked. As for Hamburg bus i'm asking for analytics re how many have booked from Hamberg. Re strike buses i have no idea how many people there are so thats going to take longer


Tiny May 16th, 2019 09:17

Following - will you update this when bus travel dates and tickets are available?


waldo June 2nd, 2019 15:44

and on the website


waldo June 2nd, 2019 15:44

How are ticket sales going? Did we sell enough to cover all the costs or should we make more publicity?

craig white

craig white June 3rd, 2019 10:35

i have asked Otto for an update on that

craig white

craig white June 3rd, 2019 10:39

i've added it into the newsletter will that get email to all ticket holders or just people signed up on talk?

craig white

craig white June 3rd, 2019 14:12

Hey Waldo we sold 150 tickets out of 400 so far (200 seats assigned each way)


waldo June 3rd, 2019 16:34

Nice! how much tickets do we need to sell to break even? Let me know if I can help :)

craig white

craig white June 3rd, 2019 17:49

so we need to sell 300 so 75% of the tickets


Cris June 4th, 2019 07:55

Maybe I can help with a little pushing propaganda on fb

Robert Nevitt

Robert Nevitt June 5th, 2019 12:11

The Bus Transport Page does not mention any sort of cargo limit, or what a person can reasonably bring with them. Is there any information available about this?

Thanks in advance.

craig white

craig white June 5th, 2019 16:22

Hi Robert i will update this. The buses are regular size buses so it's reasonable to say that taking case / pack for clothing etc, then camping facilities and food / drinks. If lots of people bring extras it could cause a problem with space. I will update the wording on the transport page. I would suggest any big items of cargo then it could be asked to some of the camps if they have any transport space with their loads which are not human transport. I think it just needs to be a common sense approach