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April 8th, 2021 19:26

PROPOSAL 2021 Kiez Burn Theme

Erin Jeavons-Fellows
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Proposer: @Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Proposer鈥檚 role:

To gather ideas for the Kiez Burn 2021 Theme.

The advice process

The first step in the advice process is to gather input and advice from experts and people affected. (see realities)

Information gathered before posting

I didn't gather any information before I wrote this proposal. This is a collective decision of the KB 2021 community.

People/roles most affected by this proposal

  • Everyone

  • No one

People/roles with the most knowledge and experience relevant to this proposal:

  • Graphics person (maybe me) - they will need to put the graphics together for the event and have a decent amount of time to do that

The proposal

Background

In 2019, it was WILD AT HEART

In 2020, we were WILD AT HOME

What theme would we consider to represent our journey back to Kiez Burn in 2021?

I personally would love to have a theme that encapsulates our collective journey through 2020 and 2021. Maybe putting our heads together we can think of something beautiful. I'd love for it to NOT have anything referencing Corona, to be honest!

The proposal

Let's collect ideas and we can vote on one!

How would the proposal be implemented

In previous years we have collected the ideas on facebook and talk by a deadline and then conducted a vote. the one with the most vote wins. I propose for simplicity we can do that again.

Who would implement this proposal

Everyone by voting.

When would this proposal be implemented

ideally 2 months before the event so that the tickets, graphics and social people have time to collaborate.

What would be the cost (time, money, effort, etc.) of this proposal

no cost to define a theme. we can collect ideas on fb and talk and vote on talk.

What are the advantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)

This proposal relates to the KB principles through communal effort and community. We will be united under a common theme that will encompass the entire event and the lead up to it. Everyone can vote.

Decision

A decision on the theme could be taken by early May giving us a month to colect and think of ideas. It will then give the graphics team a decent amount of time to create all teh assets (and there are alot of them) for the event.

8th April - proposals open

4th June - proposals close

4-11 June - - voting for theme

11 June - Theme announced

Theme Proposals:

The Starry Night - 聽"I dream my painting and I paint my dream..." - Vincent van Gogh. The Starry Night is the famous oil painting by Van Gogh. He painted this piece in 1889 and it depicts the view from the east-facing window of his asylum room in聽Saint-R茅my-de-Provence, just before sunrise, with the addition of an imaginary village... He created this in a lockdown... A beautiful creation of a phenomenal twisted skyline with a village that existed in his imagination... Much like we have been locked inside our own asylums feeling like we are going crazy, we will create our own little village under the starry night of Freiland. We are all artists, creators and believers. What can we create while looking out the window of our own asylum until we meet again in the imaginary village? Step into our own Starry Night 馃寣 "I dream my painting and I paint my dream..." - Vincent van gogh

Forest of Arden

This fantasy forest from Shakespeare's 'As You Like It' serves as a temporary place of refuge from the default world! It is a place for meditation, self-discovery, and self-renewal聽and is a symbol of freedom. The Forest of Arden provides a place for forgiveness and mental healing to many, in which they come out of the falsehood of the world.

Cross-dressing and usurping gender norms are large themes, we see characters taking on new names and identities when they enter the forest. Within the the forest all they do is meet each other in turns, indulge in some stimulating conversation about their different problems and state of minds and, not least, sing songs and be joyful. The forest is arguably not just a place, but a state of mind, something which can be carried in the hearts and minds of those who've been touched by its magic.

HEIMSPIEL

We wanna go home to KB and play together... And after all the time, we did spend at home (and hopefully had some playfulness there as well) the final return to Freiland, to home should feel to all of us like a piece of cake, or a "Heimspiel" as we would say in German!

Pro`s: - Easy to understand (even for illiterate guys) and very accessible - Invites playfulness - Reminds you of taking care of everything as you would at home... - Opens a vast field for costumes and shenanigans...

Contra: - Might attract some football-lovers, that don't have a clue, what the burn is about...

Order of the Phoenix

The phoenix represents rebirth through destruction - one of the core ideas of every burn. Probably this idea has already been proposed a hundred times in the past but now it fits more than ever. Now, "after" (or at least in the pause of) a massive pandemic, let us give rebirth to the 10 Priciples of Burning Man. Under the cover of massive testing, safety and... Harry Potter Magic. (more description below)

Theme: 'Journey to the Outside'

A theme where we get to construct fantastical cultures, new horizons, making journeys into space or to unknown lands; where we travel far away and enjoy adventures in in outlandish locations!

Resurrection
no description

Sun of the Queen (crown of sun = Corona)
No description

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows April 8th, 2021 19:56

The Starry Night聽- The Starry Night is the famous oil painting by Van Gogh. He painted this piece in 1889 and it depicts the view from the east-facing window of his asylum room in聽Saint-R茅my-de-Provence, just before sunrise, with the addition of an imaginary village... He created this in a lockdown... A beautiful creation of a phenomenal twisted skyline with a village that existed in his imagination... Much like we have been locked inside our own asylums feeling like we are going crazy, we will create our own little village under the starry night of Freiland. We are all artists, creators and believers. What can we create while looking out the window of our own asylum until we meet again in the imaginary village? Step into our own Starry Night 馃寣
"I dream my painting and I paint my dream..." - Vincent van Gogh

Jaina Hirai

Jaina Hirai April 20th, 2021 12:26

鉂わ笍 Erin, I just love this proposal. It feels so right...

K

Karlo April 20th, 2021 12:48

its a kind of a caveman/cavewoman feeling which looks shiny in the summer future but we are afraid and uncertain. the lack of a soul guidance is obvious and painful for so many people, our community. I wanted to get a temple of immediacy created to value the being of now. very hard I have been teached to value the life now, see the loves now and get a soul connection..

I wished the theme would transmit this - afraid looking out of our caves, make it small, safe and with that even more beautiful and finally value and living the 鈥瀗ow鈥.

if we could choose a theme very carefully taking this into considerations I would be very thankful

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows May 7th, 2021 18:32

Hey there hasnt been much movement on this topic. Maybe its too early or maybe no one cares so much. Ill extend the deadline for another few weeks incase people fo care or have forgotten 馃槀

Professor Kaos

Professor Kaos May 13th, 2021 07:37

I love the theme, very beautiful. The pragmatist in me is a little concerned that we will only have about 4 hours of starlight each night thought lol. (I know that's not what it's about...)

It looks like you're winning by default, because you're the only one with enough faith and initiative to move forward. Which by my books, is brave leadership in it's core essence, and a totally valid and inspiring reason to move forward with this theme :)

(Kiez Burn will happen in one form or another - People on Facebook might be uncertain, but you Talkies should know, and just hold faith a little longer)

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows May 13th, 2021 09:18

Hehe I suppose my desire to spark conversation about if there was to be a theme is more about being about to have the program put together and the wristbands (if any) and the look of the event to feel unique to us if it goes ahead. Its little to do with faith if it goes ahead hahaha
And totally see your point about the lack of actual stars 馃槅
I'm looking at this from a purely practical perspective... more aware of how long it usually takes to put these things together and we may not be able to have these if we wait to decide, vote and create 1 month before the event. Things need to go in for print 3 weeks before. So trying to be a little preemptive with that and doing some small efforts now on deciding a theme, could have alot of value when we are on site such as being able to have a program in our hands and know whats happening and promoting the workshops etc. This does impact peoples experience at a burn.
I'm totally OK if this initiative fails LOL if the broader group chooses not to participate. We may need to find alternative ways to have a program like, people print out a word doc at home before they arrive on site. Also feasible and less work for me!

Bee

Bee May 13th, 2021 10:43

Heya! I would like to add a suggestion for the theme! :)

Forest of Arden

This fantasy forest from Shakespeare's 'As You Like It' serves as a temporary place of refuge from the default world! It is a place for meditation, self-discovery, and self-renewal聽and is a symbol of freedom. The Forest of Arden provides a place for forgiveness and mental healing to many, in which they come out of the falsehood of the world. Cross-dressing and usurping gender norms are large themes, with characters taking on new names and identities when they enter the forest. Within the the forest all they do is meet each other in turns, indulge in some stimulating conversation about their different problems and state of minds and, not least, sing songs and be joyful. The forest is arguably not just a place, but a state of mind, something which can be carried in the hearts and minds of those who've been touched by its magic.

Bee

Bee May 13th, 2021 11:07

There's even an impromptu wedding ;)

Robert Kartalow

Robert Kartalow May 18th, 2021 17:33

As the deadline has been postponed I propose...

Order of the Phoenix

TLDR: The phoenix represents rebirth through destruction - one of the core ideas of every burn. Probably this idea has already been proposed a hundred times in the past but now it fits more than ever. Now, "after" (or at least in the pause of) a massive pandemic, let us give rebirth to the 10 Priciples of Burning Man. Under the cover of massive testing, safety and... Harry Potter Magic.

And here is a slightly longer description featuring fictional, semi-fictional and real characters (adapted from Wikipedia):

Before the聽second wave starts 鈥 when a virus called Corona declared war on the burner world 鈥 Alba Fumbledore, headmistress of Smokewartz School of Burning and an upstanding and powerful citizen of the burner world, attempted to take control of the situation by founding the Order of the Phoenix. Several characters joined the organization, seeking to prevent Corona from taking over the burner world and establishing a tyrannical new world order threatening the 10 Principles of Burning Man. During this period, before the events of Wild at Home, the Order sustained heavy losses, including the sickness of fellow burners.

Corona's first reign of terror ended after the Lockdown Light, 脰ffnungs-Blindflug and the unsuccessful attempt to Br眉cken-Lockdown. The lockdown rebounded on to it and severely diminished Corona's powers and as a result the Order was temporarily disbanded due to the lack of any further threat.

When Drosten reported that Corona had returned, towards the end of聽Drosten and the Goblet of Vaccines, Fumbledore reactivated the Order. Many of the original members returned and were soon joined by recruits. The Order established their headquarters at聽Freiland, a made-to-be-safe space from Corona that allowed reestablishing the 10 Principles of Burning Man.

The Order led the fight against Corona while the聽Minister of Conspiracy, Attilus Aluhut refused to accept its return. In聽Kiezburn and the Order of the Phoenix, some Order members take turns guarding聽Syringe Vaccinawley's prophecy, which referred to Corona's downfall and Drosten's role in defeating it.聽Some members also participated in a battle at the聽Office of Public Order in order to obtain the permission for the event to happen in the first place.

[Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Phoenix_(fictional_organisation) ]

Cris

Cris May 25th, 2021 11:13

ready to vote :)

Professor Kaos

Professor Kaos May 26th, 2021 13:01

I like the idea.
Although we did have a phoenix Effigy last year.

And another important point, we have 11 Principles. Well it's as important as you consider consent important, which most Kiez Burners do!

https://kiezburn.org/community/principles/

Professor Kaos

Professor Kaos May 26th, 2021 13:03

I really love this. To be able to do exactly what we do, as predicted by a screenwrite from 400 years ago is very cool. Simple yet on point.

I guess aesthetically, 'forest' would be the theme for the most part though? Do you have any images?

Professor Kaos

Professor Kaos May 26th, 2021 13:04

Wait I found something...

Till Tailor

Till Tailor May 28th, 2021 11:56

Ok... I changed my mind... I do want to propose a Theme as well... Just because I feel, that the proposed themes are all a bit too elitist and artsy... So I suggest:

HEIMSPIEL

We wanna go home to KB and play together... And after all the time, we did spend at home (and hopefully had some playfulness there as well) the final return to Freiland, to home should feel to all of us like a piece of cake, or a "Heimspiel" as we would say in German!

Pro`s: - Easy to understand (even for illiterate guys) and very accessible - Invites playfulness - Reminds you of taking care of everything as you would at home... - Opens a vast field for costumes and shenanigans...

Contra: - Might attract some football-lovers, that don't have a clue, what the burn is about...

walto

walto May 31st, 2021 23:55

If a theme is known, attractive and resonates with the attendees, it can be truly inspirational for the art, effigy, temple, people talk about it, the booklet, bracelets,...

Personally I find the starry night and Van Gogh reference amazing. I could imagine people doing a van gogh museum art walk, or something with ears,... (could the effigy be a giant ear?).

Anyway, loving all the different options, super curious what the end result will be. I also think this process has engaged a lot of people, which is great!

I guess the next step will be coming to a decision what the theme will be? Any idea on how you want to do that Erin?

Here goes an overengineered and prolly stupid idea, but what about:

  1. gathering in the park

  2. one by one the people with a theme suggestion step on a wooden box (I have one) and speak about their theme suggestion (I have a speaker if needed)

  3. we get an applause meter on the phone to measure which theme gets the most applause, that theme wins.

  4. afterward it is a chat & drink thing?

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 1st, 2021 13:56

Final calls for theme this week! Poll begins next week!

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 2nd, 2021 07:49

@waldo I would prefer to do a poll on talk. i think people who would like to have a say are not all in berlin. Its a little less exciting but i think more inclusive

walto

walto June 3rd, 2021 15:51

sounds perfect :)

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows started a poll June 4th, 2021 08:20

Kiez Burn Theme 2021 Closed 6:00pm - Friday 11 Jun 2021

Outcome
by Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 12th, 2021 10:28

The Forest or Arden is the winner for kiez Burn 2021!

It's time to vote on the theme for 2021.

We have 7 suggestions from people over the last month! Please select the one which is your favourite. Poll closes nice 6pm next friday 11 June. 1 week!

Descriptions in the details area of this thread.

24 - Forest of Arden
5 - HEIMSPIEL
4 - Order of the Phoenix
3 - Journey to the Outside
10 - Resurrection
4 - Sun of the Queen
22 - The Starry Night
Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 4th, 2021 08:23

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 08:28

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 08:35

Forest of Arden
The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 08:36

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 10:54

Forest of Arden
Till Tailor

Till Tailor June 4th, 2021 12:33

馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 12:33

HEIMSPIEL
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 14:01

HEIMSPIEL
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 15:41

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 15:53

HEIMSPIEL
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 16:44

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 4th, 2021 17:32

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 09:37

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 10:59

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 12:48

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 13:08

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 13:36

Order of the Phoenix
Journey to the Outside

馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 16:55

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 17:25

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 18:07

Forest of Arden
HEIMSPIEL
The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 5th, 2021 19:47

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 6th, 2021 13:29

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 6th, 2021 14:50

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 6th, 2021 15:31

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 6th, 2021 18:17

Sun of the Queen
The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 6th, 2021 18:49

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 7th, 2021 09:01

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 7th, 2021 14:00

Order of the Phoenix
馃懁

Anonymous June 7th, 2021 15:01

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 7th, 2021 15:08

Journey to the Outside
馃懁

Anonymous June 7th, 2021 17:37

Resurrection
Order of the Phoenix
The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 7th, 2021 18:03

The Starry Night

馃懁

Anonymous June 8th, 2021 09:03

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 8th, 2021 09:20

Forest of Arden
HEIMSPIEL

馃懁

Anonymous June 8th, 2021 10:41

The Starry Night
Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 8th, 2021 13:37

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 8th, 2021 21:54

Resurrection
Sun of the Queen

馃懁

Anonymous June 9th, 2021 08:12

Forest of Arden
The Starry Night
Journey to the Outside

Professor Kaos

Professor Kaos June 10th, 2021 07:36

The Starry Forest of Arden?............

Sven Dudink

Sven Dudink June 10th, 2021 08:23

Forest of Starry ?

馃懁

Anonymous June 10th, 2021 13:12

The Starry Night

馃懁

Anonymous June 10th, 2021 20:39

HEIMSPIEL
The Starry Night

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 11th, 2021 07:44

Alright guys, seems we have a draw! We could do a re-poll with just the two for today OR we come up with something creative to decide.... like lets the Kiez gods decide in the ultimate coin toss! LOL, SHare thoughts! will decide the way forward at 12! if anyone has any input

Bee

Bee June 11th, 2021 08:22

Can we please mash up the 2 themes? ;D

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 08:33

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 08:35

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 08:38

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 08:44

The Starry Night

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 08:56

The Starry Night

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 08:56

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:08

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:13

Forest of Arden
馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:19

Resurrection
馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:31

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:35

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:35

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:36

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:37

Forest of Arden
Order of the Phoenix
Sun of the Queen

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:43

Forest of Arden

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 09:55

The Starry Night

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 10:21

The Starry Night

CJ Yetman

CJ Yetman June 11th, 2021 10:38

A Starry Night in the Forest of Arden?

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 11th, 2021 11:09

From a graphics perspective this is easy but not from a text point of view. itll be too much to fit on the wrist bands and programs because of the long title.

Erin Jeavons-Fellows

Erin Jeavons-Fellows June 11th, 2021 11:16

oh wait, the poll finishes tonight at 6pm! my bad! keep voting people!!!

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 13:28

Resurrection

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 14:48

The Starry Night
馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 15:38

Forest of Arden
Sun of the Queen
The Starry Night

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 16:47

馃懁

Anonymous June 11th, 2021 16:57

Sunniva

Sunniva June 11th, 2021 17:00

May the excit'ment beginneth!

Here's a link to an English to Shakespearean generator if anyone wants to make more 馃 https://lingojam.com/EnglishtoShakespearean

Jan-Christian Kaspareit

Jan-Christian Kaspareit June 24th, 2021 16:46

A starry forest of Arden?

A starry Arden?

Asnitfoa?