A short note about the Closing Dinner. Nirgendwo said we could do it there in May - before the whole craziness started. Now it is obviously on hold. But I think this could still happen at a later time. I feel like we might need sth like this, even if our goals have changed..

Would be kinda ironic making the next meeting how to do really good offline meeting online. For me its a maybe. For me it was about making precom happen, and while we still plan to make a Burn Night at a later date(maybe already as a decom or really late precom) i also have private stuff to deal with, so im not in a headspace this weekend to continue on a productive level. I wont be in the way of people who want it to happen online which is why i put down maybe and will tune in probably. But like everyone else my head will be somewhere else.

SUPER YES!

When would be a better time to improve and deepen our leadership skills than now? To show up with and for the community to support in these hard times?

Now is the time to shake your Magic Stick and remember your WHY.

This is why we did the Leadership Training for. To be accountable leaders when it is hard not only when it's certain.

I strongly feel we should keep doing this and even create a way of sharing this with others

Yes! For me there is no reason not to continue. there will be another burn sometime and we should get on with community building.

I feel it'd be a waste of the time and energy we've spent so far to stop it now, since I certainly see it unclear how, with whom, in which format and when it may continue. Besides, I see the interesting challenge of adapting it to the new situation.

Moreover, besides some of my KB projects are still on (because they are not so KB'20-dependant) I never saw this program as a mean to achieve a particular goal, but more of a personal skill to adquire for the future, put into practice with a specific matter this year. So the fact that those goals are different shouldn't in my opinion, affect the training.

All this rationalitismus being said, I'll just add that personally, I'm still adapting to the new situation and (happily) with enough work atm, so even though my yes is an enthusiastic one, I wont have that much time in the next week or so. This will aber change in the future.

Maybe / neutral

Thank you @Franzi and @Remy Schneider ❤️ I am taking a way so much from the training.

Thank you Franzi,Remy and those who had the accountability to respond and show up.

I feel extremely disappointed on the people who saw this and decided not to vote. I think it's a lack of respect and courage. Selfish. Why the fuck would you act in such way to a community that you love? To the hard work of Remy and Franzi? To a space where YOU where selected to be a leader?

I feel sad and frustrated about the cancelation,because I think that what we lack in the current times are examples of leadership. Of accountability and reliability.What we are showing now is the opposite of that. Ghosting. Quitting. Not being flexible. Giving up.

Yes, life changes and it's uncertain. It has always been like that, and it will always be like that. Why is everyone so surprised now? It seems to me that many are running with their tail between their legs full of fear and selfishness.

We can create the leadership, reliability and peace in our inner selves. Consciously choosing how to feed and nurture our interdependence

I understand that integrating the current changes is hard. That a lot of us are heartbroken,anxious,stressed, fearful.... but there are others that are choosing to experience this from a place of love, courage, determination, flexibility and perseverance. It is possible. It is needed in order to co-create the community and world we want to live.
It is hard and uncomfortable at times, but thats why resilience is fundamental and why we had a day dedicated to that. And there is support and ways to deal with this better.

But hiding? Being flaky?

i want to make an appeal to this decision, so that the Leadership Training can continue. Maybe it's with 7 people and we regroup, but those 7 will have more commitment and will than the rest.

I offer to take the lead in this, talk to Gustav,Franzi and Remy to build a new way up this mountain. I won't accept defeated by a temporal roadblock.

While I think some of this is a bit too negative/accusatory, I agree with the underlying idea. This is what it’s all about. Finding the courage to adapt, to restructure, to refocus. And if one person has the courage to do so, others will follow. Thanks @Daisy for taking that first step.

Hey there @Daisy - I wanted to share some thoughts:

I feel we had a really amazing Kiez Burn Leadership Retreat (e.g., the weekend offsite) - and that it was well worth the investment and continuation into the future.

What started this whole discussion had to do with the transition that lots of people are going through with the new isolated situation and the lack of response we were getting from members of the training. To revamp our program, Franzi and I would have needed to put in a lot of new effort - very willingly given - if there had been enough enthusiasm for continuing (hence the "enthusiastic YES").

The question is - how do we inspire ourselves and other leaders of Kiez Burn to stay active and involved. The current status quo was giving us a "feeling" like the digital side was not cutting it for "leadership training" - and the responses we got confirmed this. In my mind I think "OK cool, so what can we do instead? Let's adapt". It doesn't mean more things aren't in our future- and I hope they are much more inspiring for what is happening HERE and NOW - Immediacy demands that we don't hang on to something we "thought" would be -- what can we create instead? Our current view on the training was not inspiring enough participants when it wasn't in person - yea, that's fine and no problem.

Our community is still here and we will still find a way to adapt :) It might just not be as we had envisioned it several months before the current reality that we now face.

Yes. I'm disappointed by the outcome. I was thinking of posting something here, maybe not quite as sharp, but close. But then decided not to. I know it's a hard time for a lot of us right now, for some it all abruptly stands still, some work double the amount of usual. Emotionally, this unprecedented thing that we are suddenly living, is very taxing.

I can fully understand a "no" vote and a divided "maybe".

I don't know if Talk "view" counter is something that can be taken as a reference point to make a decision. If the email we all got was also not responded to, instead, perhaps?

But yes, I would have loved a 4 more YES. I'm curious what was behind abstaining to voice anything and choosing silence?

I hope everyone is coping. Alles wird gut <3