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Kiez & Art Placement

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Hanna-Maija (@hannamaijahelvi) is coordinating and moderating the site planning reachable via phone: +491781836679 :tada:

Before you start

If you have a question, a concern or a comment about Placement, you should write it on Talk, as a comment in the site planning group :)
Also, announcements related to Placement will be made to members of the Dreams group on Talk, so please take a moment to join that group.
Private messages sent to the Placement Admin will not be addressed. Disregarding this policy may result in pain, tears and frustration. Be nice to yourself!

Never been to the site?

If you haven't been at the Freiland site before, you can get a feel for different locations by checking out snowy pictures and/or this areal video. You can also always take a car and go visit the site. It is always open for the public to walk their dogs or plan big dreams ;) Here is the location: https://goo.gl/maps/sEfEpexgg6t
We will also be going to the site with all the leads and camp leads. Communication around this will follow as soon as we have a date for this.
To give you an idea, the placement map ended up looking like this in 2018: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1msjKHoEac3zSPgnXQAC-81J1UVM8aHHh&usp=sharing
NEW pics and videos from 19.4.2019
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RkWfxARvvoa8vaju9

Adding your project to the placement map

You add your project to the placement map by drawing the area(s) that you need for your project. Before going ahead, take the time to see how the map is organised in different layers.
Your project is to be added on the layer labeled "Kieze" if you place a Kiez, and the layer "Art installations" if you want to build a wooden snail. You need to have it selected before adding a zone.

Quiet zones

Be quiet... Only babies can cry... Open your heart to the frogs and beatles...
Calm zones are ideal for:
- Kinder Kiez
- Yoga kiez
- A temple
- Kieze offering a calm/chillout/spiritual experience
- Predominantly camping areas
- …

Semi-loud zones

1) Complete Quiet Times all around the Playa 6-11 AM (small bluetooth speaker while eating breakfast doesn't count, the idea is to allow people all around the Burn to sleep and get a break from loud music).
2) No restriction on Saturday night - Burn night.
3) Kieze in Semi-loud zones (map is available to view) should be considerate with how loud they are in terms of volume, hours and which days. Would be great to have soundcamps from this zone not busting loud music every day until 6AM. In case of ongoing complaints, Wonderers (Rangers) will step in and ask to lower the volume. In addition, if we have a Sounds Engineers taking ownership of this matter, he can decide a bar and soundcamps would need to not cross that bar (decibels) from let's say 2AM-6AM. Point number 3 can be discussed further, if you have something to add you can agree and still comment about it

Loud zones

1) Complete Quiet Times all around the Playa 6-11 AM (small bluetooth speaker while eating breakfast doesn't count, the idea is to allow people all around the Burn to sleep and get a break from loud music).
2) No restriction on Saturday night - Burn night. # Fire safety regulations Every camp needs to have a fire extinguisher!!

Placement tip

As an orientation for sleeping tents: a guesstimated rule of thumb is 7m2/person. So if you're camp include e.g. 50 members, reserve ca. 350m2 for the individual tent area.

Placement Etiquette

Please follow the following etiquette when placing your project:
0. Turn on the layer "Transport - perimeter" from the left side of the map. The black lines will show you the borders of the area we are allowed to use. All camps must fit inside these perimeters.
1. Do not move or adjust in any way surfaces that have already been drawn, unless you have the approval of the Kiez/art project.
2. Placement claims do not work on a "first come first served" basis. If another project is interested in a surface that you have already drawn, their claim is as valid as yours, so please take that into consideration when discussing with the other team.
3. Please don't draw an area bigger than needed by your art installation or theme camp.
4. The areas marked as “loud” are primarily meant for sound camps, please don’t put your silent retreat/yoga/meditation camp in these areas.
5. Project leads should do their maximum to resolve placement conflicts privately. Possibly, the conflict escalation steps could help solve the problem. In the rare case when two team leads simply cannot agree on a solution after talking to one-another about the issue, the procedure is to raise the conflict publicly, in the site planning group on talk. The community members following this group will suggest solutions. We believe that discussing such conflicts in a public channel is a good way to bring a diversity of opinions, leading to a solution as fair as possible for both parties.

What to include on the map

Please indicate the following information for the zone(s) that you add to the map for your theme camp or art installation:
- Name of the project (into the “name”)
- Everything else into “description”, including CONTACT DETAILS (Oblicatory!!! Facebook account, email address, phone number ... All the additions to the map without contact info will be removed.)
- If placing a camp, please put in the name of the the LNT lead of the camp. Specifying contact information is very important for placement to work well. If the contact details are not indicated in the “description” field of your zone, your zone will be removed.

Accessing the map

The map’s URL: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fhpi3G7HS7TI4CG6PBHeF_3lgtDuK_XQ&usp=sharing
To give you an idea, the placement map ended up looking like this in 2018: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1msjKHoEac3zSPgnXQAC-81J1UVM8aHHh&usp=sharing

Do you need assistance to place your project?

If you haven’t been to Freiland location, then it will still be difficult to find a good location just by looking at the map. Don’t hesitate to ask for guidance by writing a message in here [in this Talk thread](https://talk.kiezburn.org/g/rujGUzSH/site-planning-water-power-signs?

J

JCK Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:24PM

We'll drive our livestock back up that old hill next to the gate if y'all fine with that?

W

Poll Created Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:24PM

New Placement method Closed Mon 11 Mar 2019 9:33PM

Outcome
by walto Mon 11 Mar 2019 9:33PM

no comments ==> accepted!

Hi folks, what do you think of the following "how-to" for Kieze placement? Let me know please what you think.

Before you start

If you have a question, a concern or a comment about Placement, you should write it on Talk, as a comment in the site planning group :)

Also, announcements related to Placement will be made to members of the Dreams group on Talk, so please take a moment to join that group. Private messages sent to the Placement Admin will not be addressed.

Disregarding this policy may result in pain, tears and frustration. Be nice to yourself!

Adding your project to the placement map

If you haven't been at the Freiland site before, you can get a feel for different locations by checking out snowy pictures and/or this areal video.

You add your project to the placement map by drawing the area(s) that you need for your project. Before going ahead, take the time to see how the map is organised in different layers. Your project is to be added on the layer labeled "Kieze" if you place a Kiez, and the layer "Art installations" if you want to build a wooden snail. You need to have it selected before adding a zone.

Quiet zones

Be quiet... Only babies can cry... Open your heart to the frogs and beatles...

Calm zones are ideal for:

  • Kinder Kiez
  • Yoga kiez

  • A temple

  • Kieze offering a calm/chillout/spiritual experience

  • Predominantly camping areas

Semi-loud zones

1) Complete Quiet Times all around the Playa 6-11 AM (small bluetooth speaker while eating breakfast doesn't count, the idea is to allow people all around the Burn to sleep and get a break from loud music).

2) No restriction on Saturday night - Burn night.

3) Kieze in Semi-loud zones (map is available to view) should be considerate with how loud they are in terms of volume, hours and which days. Would be great to have soundcamps from this zone not busting loud music every day until 6AM. In case of ongoing complaints, Wonderers (Rangers) will step in and ask to lower the volume. In addition, if we have a Sounds Engineers taking ownership of this matter, he can decide a bar and soundcamps would need to not cross that bar (decibels) from let's say 2AM-6AM. Point number 3 can be discussed further, if you have something to add you can agree and still comment about it

Loud zones

1) Complete Quiet Times all around the Playa 6-11 AM (small bluetooth speaker while eating breakfast doesn't count, the idea is to allow people all around the Burn to sleep and get a break from loud music).

2) No restriction on Saturday night - Burn night.

Fire safety regulations

Every camp needs to have a fire extinguisher!!

Placement tip

As an orientation for sleeping tents: a guesstimated rule of thumb is 7m2/person. So if you're camp include e.g. 50 members, reserve ca. 350m2 for the individual tent area.

Placement Etiquette

Please follow the following etiquette when placing your project:

  1. Do not move or adjust in any way surfaces that have already been drawn, unless you have the approval of the Kiez/art project.
  2. Placement claims do not work on a "first come first served" basis. If another project is interested in a surface that you have already drawn, their claim is as valid as yours, so please take that into consideration when discussing with the other team.
  3. Please don't draw an area bigger than needed by your art installation or theme camp.
  4. The areas marked as “loud” are primarily meant for sound camps, please don’t put your silent retreat/yoga/meditation camp in these areas.

  5. Project leads should do their maximum to resolve placement conflicts privately. Possibly, the conflict escalation steps could help solve the problem. In the rare case when two team leads simply cannot agree on a solution after talking to one-another about the issue, the procedure is to raise the conflict publicly, in the site planning group on talk. The community members following this group will suggest solutions. We believe that discussing such conflicts in a public channel is a good way to bring a diversity of opinions, leading to a solution as fair as possible for both parties.

What to include on the map

Please indicate the following information for the zone(s) that you add to the map for your theme camp or art installation:

  • Name of the project (into the “name”)

  • Everything else into “description”, including contact details (Facebook account, email address, phone number ...)

  • If placing a camp, please put in the name of the the LNT lead of the camp.

Specifying contact information is very important for placement to work well. If the contact details are not indicated in the “description” field of your zone, your zone may be removed.

Accessing the map

The map’s URL:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fhpi3G7HS7TI4CG6PBHeF_3lgtDuK_XQ&usp=sharing

To give you an idea, the placement map ended up looking like this in 2018:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1msjKHoEac3zSPgnXQAC-81J1UVM8aHHh&usp=sharing

Do you need assistance to place your project?

If you haven’t been to Freiland location, then it will still be difficult to find a good location just by looking at the map. Don’t hesitate to ask for guidance by writing a message in the Talk thread.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 0% 0  
Abstain 0% 0  
Disagree 0% 0  
Block 0% 0  
Undecided 0% 5 J DR W CD SD

0 of 5 people have participated (0%)

DR

Daniel Regev Sun 10 Mar 2019 8:21PM

KamPalace (Registration form sent) would like to camp where the Drug Sluts were last year, as DS are not coming back, but some of its members are in KP. If anyone has a problem with that or would like to discuss, please reply here.

We plan to have 1 communal space open for all, where all members of KiezBurn could host workshops. We also aim to have 1-2 art installations/spaces in our area, as Dreams.

I'm horrible at online/google maps, can't really edit the map etc... Peace!

W

walto Mon 11 Mar 2019 9:30PM

maybe ask a camp member to help with the google maps part?

DR

Daniel Regev Tue 12 Mar 2019 12:47PM

Done. Note that the space is quite big, to also accommodate 2 art projects by camp members (to be later placed in the Art layer too) and a workshops space for all KB members - both indoors space and hopefully outdoor space if it's not too cold...

J

JCK Mon 11 Mar 2019 4:15PM

If the cowboys stay where they were last year I would like to know if everyone was fine with the volume of our camp.
We could either mark our spot as loud zone as well or discuss if the saloon should play music all night.
Thanks for your comments!

EJ

Erin Jeavons-Fellows Thu 14 Mar 2019 1:01AM

Pirates would also like to stay where we were last year. We have a ship so we need to be by the lake :)

W

walto Thu 14 Mar 2019 5:38PM

please do not add layers. Your project is to be added on the layer labeled "Kieze" if you place a Kiez, and the layer "Art installations" if you want to build a wooden snail. You need to have it selected before adding a zone.

Also:

Please indicate the following information for the zone(s) that you add to the map for your theme camp or art installation:
- Name of the project (into the “name”)
- Everything else into “description”, including contact details (Facebook account, email address, phone number ...)
- If placing a camp, please put in the name of the the LNT lead of the camp.

Specifying contact information is very important for placement to work well. If the contact details are not indicated in the “description” field of your zone, your zone may be removed.

CD

Carolin Dandara Fri 15 Mar 2019 10:33AM

Hi y'all , we're a new Kiez and none of us have been on the site so finding it super hard to know where to chose a spot. We're a rather quiet camp with a focus on well-being, authentic relating and some morning rituals and would like to have some trees and be on flat ground- any recommendations for a good location? Thank you thank you thank you :heart:

DR

Daniel Regev Sat 16 Mar 2019 1:50PM

Hey Carolin. I would definitely recommend that at leaest a couple of people from your kiez will make the trip to the site when ever the first opportunity is possible, perhaps when there is a delegation soon to check the storage situation? Stay tuned, I guess.
Personally I would recommend trying to find a space in the quiet zone. How many people are you going to be? The space where "Just Being" were located last year is quite big and could possibly be a good solution. In front of them, "Debka kitchen" camped and if you are a small camp that could work too. Also, where Lemon kiez and Susskiez camped could be optional, I have no idea of all these camps are planning to come back this year.
Perhaps that map from 2018 is available somewhere, I'm pretty sure it is, I hope someone can help with that so you can get an idea of those locations.
Hope this helps!
Daniel

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