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Wed 30 Jun 2021 3:32PM

PROPOSAL [Decided] Handing out a phonenumber to contact First Aid directly.

P Purzel Public Seen by 161

Our external First Aid company made the offer to give us a phone number that will be reachable 24/7, to be handed out to all participants and to be used to contact them directly in case of an emergency.

It brings the benefit that participants can call First Aid directly (avoiding to involve outside authorities) without having to look for someone with a radio (i.e Rangers) or runnning across the whole site.

Please note that time is really important when it comes to real emergencies (i.e. Heart attacks, unconsiosness). Minutes can decide in between life, death and long term effects.

Proposer @Purzel he/him First Aid Lead

After reveiving enough feedback I´m deciding to go with #3.

I will hand out the number towards the Kieze through our Kiezelead and suggest that Kieze will diplay or store the number at a central location in the Kiez.

The Advice Process

Information gathered before posting

I brought up this offer in the last Korg meeting and received mixed feeback and various counter ideas.

People most affected

  • Site Lead Lead @CJ Yetman

  • Ranger Lead @Jessie @Cris

  • Gate Lead @Mareike

  • Newsletter @Nora Flora

  • Facebook communicorn ?

  • Kieze Lead @Erin Jeavons-Fellows

  • The Board @Bee @Alejandro Pereda @Veroca R. Sala @Mareike @Jan-Christian Kaspareit @Alex @Cris

  • Safety Protocol Realizer @Franzi

  • All participants

Background

Our current ways of reporting an emergency is by finding someone with a radio or running to the First Aid Tent. The First Aid Tent will be located close to the Gate, an incident close to the former pirate kiez creates quite a long way and therefore longer time before sufficient help is provided.

A burner in panic is likely to just call 112 (the official emergency number) which creates a mess in many ways:

  • the Gate won't expect an arriving ambulance

  • the ambulance crew won't know where to go exactly

  • we end up having authorities on site

  • local paramedics are not likely to be experienced with any substance induced emergencies other than alcohol. (our own First Aid and Welfare is) Most locals don't speak any english.

  • Site lead/rangers/wellfare won´t be aware that something is happening and can´t initiate our own protocols

The Proposal Ideas so far + objections

Idea #1

Spread the number accross the whole event and all participants (via newsletter, Facebook and at the gate). Whoever wants to, can save the number in their phone.

Objections

Our principle is immediacy. Promoting the number could "enforce" that participants carry their cell phones around at all times, which could also lead to possible consent violations by taking pictures or videos.

Idea #2

Spread around burner phones (i.e. attached to poles) that have this number on speed dial.

Objections

We would need to get the phones + SIM cards and keep them charged and functioning as well as weather protected.

Idea #3

Hand out the number only to the Kieze Leads and promote the idea that emergencies happening within a Kiez can be reported via phone while emergencies outside a Kiez get reported over our former ways (i.e. radio or by foot).

Idea #4

Do not hand out the number and use our old ways of reporting.

Objections

It might take to long to report an emergency, which could lead to additional harm or death of a participant.

How would the proposal be implemented

Depends on the outcome.

Who would implement this proposal

I will drive this forward.

When would this proposal be implemented

I´d like to reach a decision until the 20.07.2021.

What would be the cost (time, money, effort, etc.) of this proposal

The company offers this without any additional cost, whether we need to buy phones or invest effort in promoting the number depends on the outcome.

FH

Felix H Sun 4 Jul 2021 9:57AM

With all respect, but a fire fighter is not an emergency doctor or a paramedic who are actually provide the treatment

FH

Felix H Sun 4 Jul 2021 9:51AM

Well. What is the Name of the external professional First Aid, please? Is it DRK or some privately owned?. I actually work im Rettungsdienst as well and as a Prüfer bei Prüfungen der Rettungssanitäter. How many participants are this year on KB? Are there 24/7 presence of a sober Paramedic/Emergency doctor with a sufficient qualification and currently actively working in Emergency services?

C

Cris Wed 30 Jun 2021 4:13PM

Rangers already carry a radio, what makes proposal #5 practically the same as in #4, imo

P

Purzel Thu 1 Jul 2021 4:38AM

That's my Personal favorite as well.

Thank you, I haven't thought of that angle, I'll implement an SOP with first aid, that they inform us as soon as a bigger incident is reported to them directly.

We might need to figure out what we want reported to us and what not. @CJ Yetman any Input?

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Cris Thu 1 Jul 2021 5:50PM

Well, personal phones are not usually lying around in the Kiez, but rather in ppl's tents and maybe not charged, so still in #3 someone (from the Kiez) has to take care that there is a charged and available phone in the Kiez.

CY

CJ Yetman Fri 2 Jul 2021 2:55PM

yea, agreed.... report...
1. "unusual" vital signs of walk-ins
2. report all calls on the phone

It will be good to assess the usefulness of the phone number if we track all calls at least for the first year.

CY

CJ Yetman Wed 30 Jun 2021 9:32PM

Thanks for mentioning that @Bee! I strongly suggest that the first try should be to contact the Rangers and use our radios so that the whole process triggers as it should, but the phone is a good backup communication channel.

CY

CJ Yetman Sun 4 Jul 2021 9:22AM

What does it mean that the “idea of the number” “in the real life doesn’t work this way”?

CY

CJ Yetman Sun 4 Jul 2021 9:44AM

Also, it says quite clearly in the first sentence of the proposal where the idea came from: "Our external First Aid company made the offer to give us a phone number that will be reachable 24/7"

CY

CJ Yetman Mon 5 Jul 2021 11:27AM

I have Blau, which I believe was/is a subsidiary of E-Plus which is now owned by Telefónica

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