Should camp/Kiez projects be covered in dreams at all?

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Is it only me or I see way too many camp workshop areas in dreams? Isnt it a better way to make camps fundraiser their own money for this and decrease the prize of the general ticket if needed?


Saskia Wed 24 Apr 2019 5:39PM

It is about time to make a general 'Feedback' Collaboration thread to collect all the different opinions and inputs now as things are cooking hot. I like to think there'll be a lot of valuable lessons, ideas and concepts in all of the critique. :)
Maybe rename this thread to 'general feedback' thread? I'd absolutley go around, copy & quote & link other critiques made in other threads to collect them here (if I am bored).

Especially for all the feedback that is totally valid but probably too much of an impact to be implemented right now shortly before dreams voting is coming to an end.


[deactivated account] Sat 27 Apr 2019 12:23PM

Appreciate the comment @vladimireske - this is an area where I have some grumbles from last year (and am a little surprised looking at dreams this year like yourself). SüßKiez was under quite some strain last year (one of the reasons we are not coming back) in order to self-finance all the camp offerings. Later discovering that there was art granting for camp areas/offerings made available to camps (which some did use? @waldo - or am I misinformed?). We were not aware of this possibility. Which makes me grumpy in the sweetest way. Maybe it's OK to finance camp areas that are for public use, but this+conditions should be clearly communicated and information well distributed. Another option: perhaps a percentage should be financed by camps yes to promote self-reliance (50%?) with rest supported via Dreams?


[deactivated account] Sat 27 Apr 2019 12:33PM

p.s. @vladimireske Borderland's Dreams, that this approach is inspired (copied ;)) by, also finance camp-run offerings and structures. You can have a peek here:


Jessy W Mon 6 May 2019 2:41PM

IMO we should allow it but continue to have conversations about specifically what can be financed (not consumables, etc. ) focusing more towards special art, performances, and experiences to improve camps, and expecting camps to cover sound, djs, drinks, and anything not for public use.


walto Sun 28 Apr 2019 8:43PM

yes, last year's rules also allowed for Kieze to finance projects through art grants. We tried to communicate this as well extensively. I hope the transparancy the Dreams platform provides, inspired other Kieze as well to put up dreams to make the Kieze even more amazing!

btw, the logic: berlin is a bit poor, and we want amazing Kieze, so therefore, we allow for public areas of the Kieze to be eligible for art granting.


walto Thu 25 Apr 2019 1:32PM

good point, added tag "learning for future"