(CLOSED) Let's agree on a date for Kiez Burn 2023!
This advice process is about deciding the date for Kiez Burn 2023. While a preferred date has been discussed by most current Realizers during the kickoff weekend, more information needs to be gather to ensure we make the best decision possible.
UPDATE: DECISION HAS BEEN REACHED, WE HAVE DATES!
09 - 13 August
Thank you for your patience on this.
The main points that have impacted the decision:
Wish to not impede with other European Burns
Ensuring that the dates do not interfere with Rebirth, which has agreed to change their dates, as it doesn't represent a major hassle
Availability of the majority of Realisers
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Proposer
@Cairn (Clément)
Proposer’s role:
Boardie.
I am writing this Advice Process on behalf of all the participants of the Kickoff Weekend 2023. This group of people includes most of the realizers for Kiezburn 2023, a lot of realizers from previous years, and some Boardies.
Information gathered before posting
This proposal was discussed with the board, as well as during the Kickoff Weekend, on 28.01.2023.
People/roles most affected by this proposal
@Everyone
@Boardies
@Tickets
People/roles with the most knowledge and experience relevant to this proposal:
Participants of the Kickoff Weekend
Realizers
The proposal
Background
Finding a date is hard. Events near and far, some being Burns, some big festivals, some KB-community-led. How do we ponder the different factors and choose a date for KB 23?
A date was discussed and agreed upon during the Kick Off weekend (see table below).
However, voices have quickly raised, bringing arguments that may not have been taken into account then.
All dates possible have cons, this is about agreeing on the least bad option.
The proposal
Let’s map all pros and cons for each date, and try to come up with a way to make the most beneficial decision for everyone involved.
Here's a table with the different events known to be attended by an unknown amount of KB members, along with the potential dates.
I will update it as needed.
Monday |
Tuesday |
Wednesday |
Thursday |
Friday |
Saturday |
Sunday |
02.07 Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
08.07 Nowhere |
09.07 |
16.07 |
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17.07 |
Boom |
Boom |
Boom |
23.07 Boom |
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24.07 Boom Borderland |
Boom Borderland |
Boom Borderland |
Boom Borderland |
Borderland |
Borderland |
30.07 Borderland |
31.07 |
Kiez Burn Build? |
06.08 Kiez Burn Build? |
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07.08 Kiez Burn Build? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn Build? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
13.08 Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
14.08 |
Roztoc |
Roztoc |
Roztoc |
20.08 Roztoc |
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21.08 Roztoc |
Phoenix Fire Convention |
Phoenix Fire Convention |
Phoenix Fire Convention |
27.08 Burning Man Phoenix Fire Convention |
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28.08 Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
03.09 Burning Man |
Burn
Festival/Convention
Community organised event
What do we want to take into account in deciding a date?
Freiland's restrictions. Weekend of 15.07 is first Burn weekend possible. Non negotiable. (So build from 07.07)
Availability of current Realisers. Most were present during Kick off weekend, but not all.
Sustainability. Decision has been made during Kick Off to put Sustainability at the core of how we work together and create Kiez Burn. Should we give the same importance to far away events, as this can be considered a facilitation of a non sustainable practice? This concerns Burning Man mainly, but also Nowhere/Borderlands
Homeburns. The dates agreed on at Kick Off overlap Rebirth (aka Funeral). Assumption was made that moving this event would be less trouble for the 100 people involved than it would be for 1000 people KB to find other dates. However this has not been communicated with the organisers beforehand (As organiser of the Kick Off, I'd like to apologise for that, that's just shitty), nor confirmed with them
Which other events are Realisers actually intending on attending? See the poll in comments
How would the proposal be implemented
Gathering of advice & inputs from Realizers, impacted peeps, and community (until 17.02)
If the proposed date (09-13.08) is clearly the best choice, validate & confirm with Freiland.
If outcome is uncertain, a vote will be opened, for one week, before a decision is taken
Who would implement this proposal
All of us?
I’m driving this AP, but the implementation of the event and decision communication falls on Realisers, Site Liaison, Communicors.
When would this proposal be implemented
Best case by 17.02, worst a week later.
What would be the cost (time, money, effort, etc.) of this proposal
Time/effort: Gathering advice (not opinions or wishes), and trying to find the least inconvenient dates.
What are the advantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)
We have an event in 2023, pretty cool no?
What are the disadvantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)
We have to work to have an event?
Decision
A decision on what date we want KB 23 to be should happen in the next three weeks, so we can go ahead with booking a date with Freiland.
Cris Tue 7 Feb 2023 12:55PM
totally agree!!!
you're paying!! 🎉
Kris Tue 7 Feb 2023 6:13PM
OK, step one is that we become an official regional so I can get you some free tickets
Caro T Wed 8 Feb 2023 1:49PM
actually working on an advice process about that as we speak xD
Caro T Mon 6 Feb 2023 12:12PM
I would highly recommend doing Kiez Burn in August, maybe like Johannes suggested during the Big Burn weekend or sadly a bit close to the Rebirth Burn. Doing Kiez Burn in July last year ended up with many issues due to overlapping with the big regional burns. For instance, we had a lack of experienced realizers able to commit or able to be there during build as they were at Nowhere, exhausted from Nowhere or covid sick from Nowhere. Whilst I agree with Vero, that from a community-building standpoint we should prioritise our own local endeavours more than the bigger burns elsewhere (and we did this consideration last year with Holger's burn), the reality is that just as many of our inhabitants if not more go to those bigger regional burns as they go to Rebirth.
Going forward at our new TBC-Gelände, returning to our June dates should be advisable to never have this terrible weighing of Burns ever again. But this year, alas.
Cris Tue 7 Feb 2023 12:47PM
Re-Birth Burn for president!
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Chiara Tue 14 Feb 2023 12:02PM
Let's take the burning man weekend and subtract a bunch of flights to Nevada and back from our environmental footprint!
Chiara Tue 14 Feb 2023 12:19PM
Jokes aside... how do we make this decision? I think a lot of us would need to know rather soon. Can we call a realizer meeting this week and vote? I don't really see a clear winner from this discussion, but these seem to be the options if we decide to only consider EU burns as important factors:
19-23.07: between the two big EU burns
2.08-6.08: kb build overlaps with borderland, rebirth would need to be rescheduled
9.08-13.08: rebirth would need to be rescheduled
16.08-20.08: rebirth would need to be rescheduled
27.08-27.08: given the promethean involvement with phoenix, many of us would be sad about this - but it does seem fair to prioritize burns over fire conventions.
31.08-3.09: overlap with the Big Burn. Maybe more importantly, diluting the work of kiezburn orga over the entire summer sounds exhausting.
Ceci Tue 14 Feb 2023 12:50PM
In any case, if it'll happen in one of the first 3 weeks of august, the rebirth will be reschedule. So there is no need to take it in account with the build and strike 😊
Kris · Mon 6 Feb 2023 3:36PM
More Kiez Burners should go to Burning Man and get a sense of what it's like tbh.