(CLOSED) Let's agree on a date for Kiez Burn 2023!
This advice process is about deciding the date for Kiez Burn 2023. While a preferred date has been discussed by most current Realizers during the kickoff weekend, more information needs to be gather to ensure we make the best decision possible.
UPDATE: DECISION HAS BEEN REACHED, WE HAVE DATES!
09 - 13 August
Thank you for your patience on this.
The main points that have impacted the decision:
Wish to not impede with other European Burns
Ensuring that the dates do not interfere with Rebirth, which has agreed to change their dates, as it doesn't represent a major hassle
Availability of the majority of Realisers
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Proposer
@Cairn (Clément)
Proposer’s role:
Boardie.
I am writing this Advice Process on behalf of all the participants of the Kickoff Weekend 2023. This group of people includes most of the realizers for Kiezburn 2023, a lot of realizers from previous years, and some Boardies.
Information gathered before posting
This proposal was discussed with the board, as well as during the Kickoff Weekend, on 28.01.2023.
People/roles most affected by this proposal
@Everyone
@Boardies
@Tickets
People/roles with the most knowledge and experience relevant to this proposal:
Participants of the Kickoff Weekend
Realizers
The proposal
Background
Finding a date is hard. Events near and far, some being Burns, some big festivals, some KB-community-led. How do we ponder the different factors and choose a date for KB 23?
A date was discussed and agreed upon during the Kick Off weekend (see table below).
However, voices have quickly raised, bringing arguments that may not have been taken into account then.
All dates possible have cons, this is about agreeing on the least bad option.
The proposal
Let’s map all pros and cons for each date, and try to come up with a way to make the most beneficial decision for everyone involved.
Here's a table with the different events known to be attended by an unknown amount of KB members, along with the potential dates.
I will update it as needed.
Monday |
Tuesday |
Wednesday |
Thursday |
Friday |
Saturday |
Sunday |
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02.07 Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
Nowhere |
08.07 Nowhere |
09.07 |
16.07 |
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17.07 |
Boom |
Boom |
Boom |
23.07 Boom |
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24.07 Boom Borderland |
Boom Borderland |
Boom Borderland |
Boom Borderland |
Borderland |
Borderland |
30.07 Borderland |
31.07 |
Kiez Burn Build? |
06.08 Kiez Burn Build? |
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07.08 Kiez Burn Build? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn Build? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
13.08 Rebirth Burn Kiez Burn? |
14.08 |
Roztoc |
Roztoc |
Roztoc |
20.08 Roztoc |
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21.08 Roztoc |
Phoenix Fire Convention |
Phoenix Fire Convention |
Phoenix Fire Convention |
27.08 Burning Man Phoenix Fire Convention |
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28.08 Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
Burning Man |
03.09 Burning Man |
Burn
Festival/Convention
Community organised event
What do we want to take into account in deciding a date?
Freiland's restrictions. Weekend of 15.07 is first Burn weekend possible. Non negotiable. (So build from 07.07)
Availability of current Realisers. Most were present during Kick off weekend, but not all.
Sustainability. Decision has been made during Kick Off to put Sustainability at the core of how we work together and create Kiez Burn. Should we give the same importance to far away events, as this can be considered a facilitation of a non sustainable practice? This concerns Burning Man mainly, but also Nowhere/Borderlands
Homeburns. The dates agreed on at Kick Off overlap Rebirth (aka Funeral). Assumption was made that moving this event would be less trouble for the 100 people involved than it would be for 1000 people KB to find other dates. However this has not been communicated with the organisers beforehand (As organiser of the Kick Off, I'd like to apologise for that, that's just shitty), nor confirmed with them
Which other events are Realisers actually intending on attending? See the poll in comments
How would the proposal be implemented
Gathering of advice & inputs from Realizers, impacted peeps, and community (until 17.02)
If the proposed date (09-13.08) is clearly the best choice, validate & confirm with Freiland.
If outcome is uncertain, a vote will be opened, for one week, before a decision is taken
Who would implement this proposal
All of us?
I’m driving this AP, but the implementation of the event and decision communication falls on Realisers, Site Liaison, Communicors.
When would this proposal be implemented
Best case by 17.02, worst a week later.
What would be the cost (time, money, effort, etc.) of this proposal
Time/effort: Gathering advice (not opinions or wishes), and trying to find the least inconvenient dates.
What are the advantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)
We have an event in 2023, pretty cool no?
What are the disadvantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)
We have to work to have an event?
Decision
A decision on what date we want KB 23 to be should happen in the next three weeks, so we can go ahead with booking a date with Freiland.
Alex Kaos Mon 6 Feb 2023 3:27PM
These are the events in hope to make. No tickets purchased yet.
Kitt Fri 17 Feb 2023 7:24AM
Might do a UK burn or the sheep but my decision shouldn't affect the date choice
Saskia Thu 9 Feb 2023 9:48AM
signing
Veroca R. Sala Sun 5 Feb 2023 8:27PM
TLDR : Kiez Burn should avoid clashing with emerging local burns and di-prioritize large-international burns. Move the date to earlier: 17.07
I am involved in Kiez Burn and Re-birth. I am doing efforts to form a team to take on Storage for Kiez burn this year, and will also be involved in re-birth. I think that if these two events happen at the same time, either Kiez burn will miss a whole camp with around 30 members who have brought so much to the event OR, simply a small regional burn will not happen (re-birth). I think both are sad, just remember that Kiez Burn once was just as small...
From a more broad community standpoint
I also believe we should as community builders ensure Kiez Burn is not stepping over other local initiatives or burns that happen in the area instead of prioritizing bigger burns with 1000+ participants in other countries, these events will not be at such risk to not happen when overlapping with Kiez Burn. I understand people want to go to more burns, but I believe that whenever possible, Kiez Burn should care about the emerging events that house a portion of Kiez burn itself. Re birth also receives a percentage of new burners who get to see the 11 principles better and closer as not possible in bigger burns, impacting positively the burner community locally.
I think is not about avoiding clashing with other events to be able to attend more burns, but to build a community from where we are and continue empowering people to take initiatives not only for the benefit of Kiez event! From Kiez Burn comes Re-birth, are we gonna kill it? this is sad.
Chiara Sun 5 Feb 2023 9:38PM
My memory from the Kickoff Weekend is that we agreed that Kiezburn would happen 9-13 August only at the condition that the Rebirth could move to early July without too much hassle - which seemed to be the case initially due to less restrictions on location. I don’t think it was ever anyone’s intention to have both events at the same time or to consider it less important than other burns, that would be very unfair (personally I care more about attending the Rebirth than other EU burns or festivals, and I think that’s true for a lot of people). So if that was a wrong assumption and the Rebirth cannot or doesn’t really want to move (which is fair enough, the date was decided first) I think we should change the date for Kiezburn. Is that the case?
Erin Jeavons-Fellows Mon 6 Feb 2023 7:55AM
Hi there!
Chiming in here as the org lead for ReBirth. I'm aware that this has been a topic. It's disappointing that KB is kuntsidering the weekend that we have allockunted for our little event. However, it is possible to move our dates.
It won't be moved to the beginning of July as Nowhere is something I would like to attend.
If our dates get chosen, Rebirth will be moved to probably June, September or October. The kunts will need at least a month either side of KB to plan for this as most are leads for Rebirth event.
Caro T Mon 6 Feb 2023 12:02PM
As a follow up question to your last sentence about the Kunts needing at least a month either side of KB (which makes total sense). This would mean that we actually connot not overlap with Rebirth, correct? Unless we take the burn weekend 16.07, meaning our build overlaps again with Nowhere which had it's own issues last year (realiser shortage, burnt out burners, covid overlap, etc).
Johannes Klöppner Mon 6 Feb 2023 9:42AM
As currently it seems that almost no one of the realizers goes to the Big Burn, should we not consider, putting Kiezburn on that weekend(as opposed to take it completely out of consideration like we done during the Kickoff weekend)? My guess would be that Borderland and Nowhere are much bigger competition for many in the community then the big one. I share also the opinion that Boom and other non Burner Events should not be taken in consideration, as otherwise you never can stop, because what about Ozora, Wilde Möhre or the thousand other cool festivals a handful people go.
Hanna-Maija (Animal) · Sun 5 Feb 2023 6:29PM
Hi just came here to say that I don't care - I think the people taking the biggest realiser roles are more than capable to decide the dates and this doesn't need my input. For me KB is the most important event of the summer and I will make my other plans around it. Having a date to mark to my calendar is more important to me than what the date actually is so that I can start planning. It's sadly impossible to make everyone happy and that is the weight that the decision makers need to carry.