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Mon 21 Jun 2021 7:54AM

Swimming in the Lake - Not happening at this stage

AK Alex Kaos Public Seen by 150

OUTCOME - No swimming in either Lake

Until a strong realizer shows up (and there would be a directed ticket for them if they want it), who is qualified and can organize enough qualified lifeguards to monitor the southern lake, it is in the interest of the affected parties (which is currently the legal body responsible if someone drowns at the event) to take the rational and cautious choice of simply enforcing a "No-swimming in any lake policy"

This means that in order to cool down, you will have to be really self-reliant. Remember there's no lake on the real Playa, just sand and alkalized salt, so I think we'll survive the German summer heat. It looks like we will have showers though. Bring a spray bottle and a handheld fan just in case.




There are 2 lakes at Freiland, and at this stage, technically we can't swim in either.

Lake 1 is on the west bank, and is completely forbidden to swim in as it is a recovering natural pond and the wildlife get's severely disturbed and damaged by 1000 sun-screened hippies taking a dip to cool their boots.

We still intend to protect the nature of this lake at the costs of being hot, and this remains non-negotiable.

The southern lake (by the Pirate Kiez) we have permission from the Gelande to swim in, so long as we take adequate precautions (washing sunscreen off beforehand etc).

However - Legally we must ban anyone from swimming in the lake and enforce this ban, as any body of water requires a qualified and designated lifeguard on shift at all times.

Freiland simply enforce the no-swimming ban, but I think the participants of Kiez Burn can do one better.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This whole situation is currently outside of the entire Covid safety protocol discussions, and it may be that the Gesundheitsamt or local Amt decide that the lake is a high risk zone and should be banned anyway. We will find out later in the negotiations.

If someone steps up to being a Lake Realizer, and we can gather enough volunteer lifeguards to watch the lake, Kiez Burn could have a legally swimmable location!

As a board member and Treasurer, I am currently wrapping my head around the legal responsibilities of hosting an event in a Pandemic without putting the verein/board into debt. I would very much like this issue to not be weighing over my shoulders, and for all of you who might think "Bah humbug! Trust in radical Self-reliance! The hippies can take care of themselves":

There have been accidents in this very lake in past events. And the government and bereaved nearly always want someone to blame for the suffering.

So please don't moan, and propose a solution. Because when they blame, they won't be blaming your radically-not-responsible ass!

#1 - Proposal

  • Someone steps up as Lake Realizer (a.k.a Neptune/Merperson/Poiseidon), who would coordinate this proposal.

  • We fill shifts having qualified lifeguards within specific times of the day (most likely daylight hours), stationed at the Southern lake (by the Pirates)

  • Adequate signage and safety materials are supplied

  • We can cool off on the hot august days!

  • We have to create an official swimming ban on the lake

  • Rangers would need to be briefed to enforce this

I recognize I am proposing a role for which I cannot fill, but as I stated above, I have some legal responsibility to the event and the safety of the participants, and I am currently wrapped up in financial as well as other board/korg/camp duties and cannot drive this. By default I have to go with #2, but I think the participants of Kiez Burn should be given the opportunity for #1. Whoever can, will just have to step up if that's the case.


BOARD STATEMENT - Legal Body Representing the Verein Kiez Burn
 Concerning the usage of the lake: we can't keep 950 substantized participants safe for the entirety of the event, nor can we protect the lake from 950 sun-screened participants.

Kiez burn more outsources visit all Amt-required safety services, Feuerwehr, First aid, security. This will now also include lifeguards. It is unfair on everyone involved to place the life of another human being in volunteers' hands. Our philosophy cannot stretch that far at this stage.

We can however at least create a safe space for one artist to fulfill a dream of performing in the lake, safely watched, by both the participants and the undisturbed wildlife.

NF

Nora Flora Mon 21 Jun 2021 8:11PM

@Purzel That would be great if you could find out too. I find it hard to get some proper info on our whole scenario, but will keep looking.

NF

Nora Flora Mon 21 Jun 2021 8:15PM

Firetruck!

VRS

Veroca R. Sala Mon 21 Jun 2021 8:18PM

I d say we could touch it! hehe, but not swim! Lol

NF

Nora Flora Mon 21 Jun 2021 8:19PM

Last 3 questions @Bee @Professor Kaos @Veroca R. Sala
(How did this work at the past KiezBurns? No swimming?
Has it ever been evaluated to hire life guards even just for Saturday and Sunday?
Or was there never swimming and the lake closed off?)

VRS

Veroca R. Sala Mon 21 Jun 2021 8:24PM

2019 the lake had little water flow so it was muddy and ugly to be in. That kept hippies away.

2018 Im not sure, but it was a smaller event

2017 was in a different location

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Bee Mon 21 Jun 2021 9:35PM

Thanks so much for looking into this Nora. Yes unfortunately there will be more than alcohol for a lot of folk and the risk of accidents is much higher (no pun intended). As a fellow board member to Vero I too would hate to have to handle the worst case scenario of allowing free swimming, especially considering there have been cases at other European burns where people have drowned. I would be hesitant to come to any conclusion that doesn't place some considered restrictions for the sake of safety.

We may well end up with a dry summer and not pleasant lake by August anyhow and then it would be ill advised for other reasons. I'm a water lover too and am sad at not being able to swim, but I have responsiblity for more than myself in this choice.

CY

CJ Yetman Tue 22 Jun 2021 3:25PM

ooooh.... can you add a lake shift for Rangers and equip them with super soakers (powerful water cannons) and then blast anyone that tries to enter the lake?

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MeTaMiNd eVoLuTioN Tue 22 Jun 2021 6:34PM

would be interesting to evolve this new branch of "Lake Rangers" ...

who know about biology of the lake ecosystem, and also are trained water life guards.

as well participated in the DLRG junior-life-guard program as a child, and been wondering what it takes to get fully qualitfied to take water life guard shifts at festivals in the future.

once all the legal paperwork is in order, it seems doable to me to have like 2 hours a day where people can swim, or perform in the water at night briefly (in the future).

combine it with the water-guns and sprayers it could also be very fun for all involved :)

VRS

Veroca R. Sala Mon 21 Jun 2021 2:48PM

interesting bee😎, however still will mean a lot of work around it + having as Purzel says: more non-hippies around in order to have qualified guards. These cannot be simple volunteers from the crowd.

I would like it if we plan this better for next year with bathing times in the afternoon for the hottest hours.

There is a lot at risk here... I mean, this is not an event risk, but life of participants.

I still vote for No, unless we can come to an agreement to only use the shore.

Lets say 5 meters from the edge or something like that. @Purzel what distance from the shore would be safe?

Even at the shore, the pirates will make sure people are rinsed before going in? creams and stuff?

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Purzel Thu 24 Jun 2021 1:20PM

Considering how much fuel they use just doing their normal business, sprinkling us with water wont put a dent in their usual expenses. They are on site anyway and will have a basic amount of gear with them.

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