(Closed) Proposal to switch from Loomio to Reddit

# Proposer

## Proposer (name, handle, etc.):

@Kris

## Proposer’s role:

I do things.

# The advice process

## Information gathered before posting

Drunken conversations at bars. A week spent with some of the developers of Loomio on a farm in Sweden. Proprietary information about what Reddit is planning. Reading lots of self-organizy (anarchist) shit. Having been using the Internet since dial-up.

## People/roles most affected by this proposal

The seven people here on talk.kiezburn.org.

## People/roles with the most knowledge and experience relevant to this proposal:

- Me

- Talk guides

- @Purzel, @Kate, formerly @Veroca R. Sala @Professor Kaos

# The proposal

## Background

Our needs for collaboration tools are:

* A way to disemmenate news

* A place to have discussions

* A way to make decisions

* A store of knowledge

* A way to coordinate

* A place to hang out

Lately we've started using Discord which I think is great, and fulfills the last two points on the list very well.

News disimmenation is the newsletter and Telegram, which also seems to be going well.

Talk/Loomio is supposed to fulfill the discussions and decisions parts. We do not have a store of knowledge, as information discovery on this platform is near impossible.

#### Loomio as a place to have discussions

The moderation tools on here are abysmal, and most "discussions" seem to be very long posts taking at each other. Happy to elaborate if somebody actually needs more reasons.

#### Loomio as a place to make decisions

Without good discussions there are no good decisions.

#### Loomio as a chore

Recently there was a security thing where data got lost. It needs to be upgraded. It probably has some nasty bugs waiting to be discovered.

## The proposal

We sunset Loomio and keep it as a historical document.

We adopt the r/kiezburn wiki, "Decided" advice procesees are copied to the wiki together with other "static" information like the kiez guide.

We move all activity from here over to r/kiezburn, using badges and tags to organisie threads.

APs are kept in their current format, but on a different platform (using a badge to filter them). There's been talk of changing them, but that's out of scope here.

## How would the proposal be implemented

We set up redirections from Loomio over to Reddit, and announce on our usual channels. We set up a mod team that can make the subreddit nice.

## Who would implement this proposal

You and me <3 Together.

## When would this proposal be implemented

I can do it now.

## What would be the cost (time, money, effort, etc.) of this proposal

It's a lot less effort than keeping Loomio. The danger is slight loss of control over user accounts, but we're not taking advantage of that anyway.

## What are the advantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)

The opportunity to make a nice place online for us.

## What are the disadvantages of this proposal (relative to the current situation and/or counter-proposals)

We relinquish some control compared to other alternatives discussed (like moving to some regular forum software), but we gain much more in features.

# Decision

Not doing it, have a better idea that also involves setting this website on fire.