Power and energy consumption
A place where we can Discuss about power,
things what come to mind now are:
•the source of the power
•how much power we will be needing for kiez burn 2019
•what can we do to keep our energy consumption as low as possible (E.G. Led lightning)
•who will be working on what
•which company will be renting out their equipment for our needs
•a way to measure our power consumption over the whole burn per camp with a timeline for upcoming years
probably there are still quiet a few points missing
@johannes5 @relativityrltvty You guys did the power last year, any suggestions? will you guys this year also be doing the power? are there more people who feel like helping out with the power?
if anyone has some stuff to add feel free to write whatever comes to mind (about power :D)
walto Mon 22 Apr 2019 7:03PM
I have added the 2 infrastructure projects that I remember, but there might be more. Also: I believe we might want to support gate & welfare in terms of power costs for these kind of public services.
Btw, could you store all power related google files in https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1X_FakR1a3QpLgk4KJoFLVeEZddusQC3o?usp=sharing please? Tnx!
Dylan (Lemon Camp) Fri 26 Apr 2019 9:19AM
@svendudink Can you quickly give me your input on these speaker specs for power consumption when you get a chance? on first sight it appears that the speakers are 500W, but looking closer in the specs they say 65w consumption. We are using the 500 model. Thanks for the help Sven! https://jp.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/322347/STAGEPAS500_300_datasheet.pdf
Sven Dudink Mon 29 Apr 2019 11:36AM
i have bin a bit busy these days, the power usage in this case will be max 65 watt so not the 300 watt,
Dylan (Lemon Camp) Mon 29 Apr 2019 12:32PM
@svendudink Thats a treat. Thanks for taking the time to confirm!
Poll Created Sun 5 May 2019 12:41PM
Water boilers and Coffemakers Closed Sun 12 May 2019 12:00PM
We closed the poll with 13 Yes and 6 no,
today I had a meeting with the company who provides us with the generators to get their professional opinion,
I read some of the concerns about using water boilers on the event so I would like to clear some things up,
We have a very strong powergrid but ofcourse it is wise to keep our power consumption low,
We cant make sure every one will keep on the allowed times, my idea is to make a small sign that we can hang on the boiler and pass by the camps who use water boilers to give them out with the allowed times on there
If people accidently boil water out of the allowed times it will most certainly not be a problem for our power grid, but I think its good to see how much the power consumption will be in the quiet power hours ( still please only run your boilers only in allowed times )
If 10 boilers will be turned on at exactly the same time this will not be a problem for the grid
In case we go over the maximum power for a generator this will not damage the generators, they are very well protected and will shut down, to put them back on is as easy as switching on a lightswitch in your home ( but will only be done by the power team)
There might be lower power boilers but they will boil a smaller amount of water or take longer, water needs a certain amount of energy to start boiling, unfortunately the standard boiler is already the most energy efficient as a boiler
if this is something what needs further discussion we can ofcourse talk about this a bit more
Last year Water boilers and coffemakers where not alloud on site for their high power consumption, there was a very good reason for this,
We did not know yet what our power consumption over the event was, and we learned from last year that we dont use a lot of power at daytime
This year i would like them to be aloud since a lot of people are very happy with a cup of coffee or tea in the morning,
I would like to allow this from 07:00 in the morning till 20:00,
This is out of our peak hours, this will only be allowed for camps who have ordered 3KW or more and ofcourse dont use other high powered installations while running the water boilers/Coffeemakers,
One liter of water costs around 93Watt Hour since its 2800Watt only for a few minutes.
Out of the peak hours it would not even be a problem if all of kiezburn will put their water boilers/coffeemakers on at the same time ( as long as its in your ordered power budget )
Results
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Yes | 68.4% | 13 |
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No | 31.6% | 6 |
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| Undecided | 0% | 93 |
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20 of 113 people have participated (17%)
Daniel Regev Sun 5 May 2019 6:36PM
I don't see a way to make sure people will not use it out of "allowed times". Would be nice to trust the people, but if this could potentially harm the KB finances or be a big burden for KBorg, I'm personally cool without it. What about early birds who get up at 6 AM? What about people who like their afterparty tea?
People can still boil water using gas (or solar heating)
Dylan (Lemon Camp) Mon 6 May 2019 8:27AM
This might give the wrong impression for many campers/camps. Who will 'control' water boilers at the camps where this is allowed? Will the boilers need to be locked away during evening hours to prevent uninformed/lazy/drunk campers from abusing the water boilers? In addition, other camps might get the wrong idea and hook up their own that they randomly brought, or will bring for next year.
Better a total ban if there is a problem with peak watts, in my opinion
Bobschi Mon 6 May 2019 11:42AM
The potential problems way outweigh the benefits. Get a gas cooker, lazy hippies. Especially if you are part of a camp, that shouldn't be a problem, and is more efficient than using a kettle. This is a bad idea in my opinion.
Sven Dudink · Tue 16 Apr 2019 8:52PM
Hi everyone, the power meeting will be tomorrow 19:00 at burgsdorfstrasse 15 13353 Doorbell Sven Dudink
see you tomorrow