Kiez Placement
Randy Pence
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The map in it's current state is final with the exception of: when everyone agrees to change a certain position. So if for example Süßkiez wants to change location with Just Being and they are both fine with that + Kinderkiez & other kieze agree and are fine with that + no issue for power, then yes, we can change locations. So feel free to take up those discussions here. From an overview POV, the map as it currently is right now, is the best possible solution we could find. But nobody is perfect... So if you have suggestions, feel free to put them here and everyone can chime in.
I need more space for camping?
It is impossible to draw on the map spots dedicated to little tents, that are spread out all over the site. Consider the spot you are given on the map as where your core activities take place. Tenting needs to be found person by person, tent by tent, either within that area, or just going around and spotting where one can put their tent that is not part of a Kiez's core area.
KBORG does not take responsibility for you causing a clash with your neighbors. Don't be an ass and go perimeter off hundreds of square meters for your tents that are outside of your core area.
Freecamping
we try to find freecamping areas that will not clash with camps.
CJ Yetman Sat 28 Apr 2018 9:58AM
Folks, let’s get practical and talk about real solutions rather than debate the justification for things. These are solvable issues. Site Planning is doing a difficult job, managing not just your preferences, but many different, potentially competing, preferences and needs. Compromises need to be made. And keep in mind, the volunteers doing this for kborg are also fellow Kiez Burners, and possibly even your own Kiez-mates… they’re doing their best to make the best situation for everyone, and they deserve a bit of praise and thanks.
Just Being - I do not think you would fit in the platform-valley with 40+ people, it’s just not big enough. What do you really want from that location that you can’t have at the other location? Maybe we can do something about it. You really want a platform? Maybe we can build one at your site. You want a fireplace? That can probably be arranged. Maybe we can even drag that old wagon up to your site if you really want it. Let’s talk about what we can do to make your site work for you.
Süßkiez - It’s unclear to me what your preference for another location, or strong dislike of your location is. What do you need? What did you think you had in the preliminary location that you can’t get in your current location? What problems or obstacles does your current location present? Let’s figure it out. (I am a member of Süßkiez, and after visiting the site, our current location is what my personal preference was, though it was admittedly a bit arbitrary.)
Sweet Like Candy Sat 28 Apr 2018 6:38PM
Hey CJ, SuessKiez was just trying to help and ease Just Being's pain. But looking at Randy's comment above, a swap is not an option, as we are a soundcamp. As per Henrik's comment, we too appreciate your work and know well it's a hard task! But, that said, we too were under the impression the last discussion we had with AREA 51 was final and had no idea changes were in sight. As per Henrik's comment, a heads up would have been more than nice to ease the transitional pains. Also would have been nice to talk to someone prior to understand the new location, so that we can accommodate our planning. As it went, you guys just dropped it on us and there was no discussion between then and now. We will work with the location assigned to us, of course, but this could have been managed a little more constructively/communicatively. My main problem is that the new location is COMPLETELY BARE - we were counting on having trees around our camp. We would prefer to keep the Wagon - would be good for us to have at least some structure in that case. Without any trees our hammock oasis of chill is not possible. But, we are looking forward to Burning Pig to find out more about the spot. If KiezBurn build is open to help us erect some structure as you just offered to Just Being, we would be thankful for that. Let's talk at Burning Pig. Thanks and love from Suesskiez.
CJ Yetman Mon 30 Apr 2018 8:35AM
FYI, particulary @randypence and @waldo, we've had 4 new Kieze register in the past week.
walto Fri 4 May 2018 5:20PM
So... some person thought the Kieze registration form was the ticket application form... WTH... Camp Yaeli is not a real Kiez. So I will be deleting them from the map and power etc. @randypence @joicebiazoto and @cjyetman
CJ Yetman Mon 7 May 2018 8:06AM
@waldo @joicebiazoto @randypence We got another Kiez registration today... should we be closing down the registration form?
Hey @randypence Can you put me in contact with the Lemon Kiez guys please? We have a possible situation brewing with the whole of Kinderkiez's area being 100% underwater, and we will likely have to shift one site up. Currently this place is tentatively being used by the Lemons, but we'd like to discuss them moving their 12 people up the road so our 40 will have space?
[deactivated account] Mon 7 May 2018 9:50AM
@randypence It´s Madda here from Lemon Camp: we talked about everything with Suska. yesterday on site. Our camp is going to be next to Monkey Camp, down the hill. Here
Sweet Like Candy · Thu 26 Apr 2018 7:08PM
Hey you guys :) So I'd like it put it out there that we Süßkiez do not mind a remote location in the woods and would be happy to swap with Just Being to makes their lives easier! We would looooooove to have the lecker-sounding Dhaba as our neighbour too ;) The only thing is, we are going to go boum boum on two nights and have registered as a sound camp (not as loud/full on as Zerzura or Underworld, but still! And the forest location in the forest has to be a quiet one, right? What can we do?