Hi, so talking to Callum and the halt on decisions we have decided to park this and possibly look at it for 2021.

Also now we are further on without comms going out it might make sense to push the dates back a week or 2. The comms lead up is key I beleive

@Andrea Paracucchi I am not sure if I can reply to your vote specifically, hopefully, this year we will see a lot higher 100% of non-virgins. Now, this is the 4th? year that it's on and there is not a huge increase in ticket numbers and sounds like a lot of people that were there last year are planning on returning. Also something that I have been working on with other burns is greeters, as that makes a huge difference for once people are on site to start living the principles and we could also look at doing some email about it as well (kiwiburn did some pretty good stuff like this) and is great for new and returners.

The money shouldn't be an issue for planning. We will not have confirmation for only 3 weeks but it will also be very similar to if we just run a normal sale (we can never predict how many tickets will sell) but we also have the back up plan that if this does not work, we will have a normal ticket sale ready to go pretty much as soon as this one fails, if it does.

Thanks for than Jan, like my reply to Callum, people should be able to confirm if they are ok with the idea or not before then and the questions can be confirmed after the fact as they should make only minor differences (like how many we actually release etc)

I've been running ticketing for the last 3 years together with @Otto, and while I'm otherwise too busy this year to put a lot of time into this - I'm happy to support with my knowledge & experience, and would also join into a tickets meetup - great idea and probably the best way to eventually move this forward!

Regarding some specific questions you raised @Keegan:

• Really like the structure of what you propose, but agree with Callum that regarding actual timing we should wait for feedback from the board on the open event critical questions - and also the location process which is currently in final stages. So the start of the sale might need to get pushed out a little bit eg by another week, let's see!

• Kids tickets have always been free of charge, but we required parents to register their kids so we know who's on site. I would suggest to do this in the same way, i.e. any adult buying a ticket can add any number of kids tickets - which don't reduce the number of regular tickets. This was typically in the realm of 30ish kids tickets i.e. a small enough number to handle in a simple way like this.

• Ticket transfers are important, but we don't need to worry about them until the sale has actually closed and we start charging people. Based on the experiences from the last year I'm sure we can put something together reasonably quickly, and I should also have some time again in April to help with this. Let's discuss in a little more detail at the suggested ticket meetup.

Hey

Well I'm hoping with the timeline I've proposed that will give everybody the time to do what they need to do to answer the questions but they can confirm if they are on board with the idea or not. I won't be able to meet up in Berlin (currently in New Zealand) but happy to do like a big google hangouts or something

@Keegan Awesome, great to have your enthusiasm in this mission. I'm personally thinking it's helpful to wait until the board clarify exactly how much freedom the consensual doocracry process has, but if you wanna just push on, I'm ready to support. What about organising a Radical Tickets Meetup at the Burner Embassy? I'd be happy to get together and come up with a shared plan, etc.

I really like the different ticket levels. It looks like there will be some set prices and then people choose which of that they want, is it going to stick like that or can people set their specific prices?

We do something very similar at burning nest but the low-income tickets are applied for 20% of our population with an average of 50 pounds. We plan our budget on people paying the normal price and then anything on top where people pay in higher then goes towards more arts and innovation projects.

Would it be possible to have:

A way that will calculate how many tickets are left and what the average price required is to meet our targets?

Have a system where people can increase their amount throughout the process, or in the following week so we meet the target?

Pause

I'm taking a step back from this for a while, I've posted the full story here:

https://talk.kiezburn.org/d/I2bGpV09/pausing-the-radical-ticket-sale-initiative

This is creative but seems super unlikely to happen 99% of the time and makes the system more complicated.

@Marian interesting feedback. I think to make the ticket amount changeable. So people can come back later and update their price. We could also decide at the deadline to extend if we don’t get enough, probably doesn’t need to be defined in advance, also an interesting idea. 👍

Request:
Add a week or so after the end of the sale in which contributors can raise their contribution - in case we didnt reach the funding goal.

Why:
Two crucial differences between the proposes process and crowdfunding:
1) In Crowdfunding you usually have no limit on how many people can contribute (here it is 1000 - the amount of available tickets)
2) In Crowdfunding you can usually contribute multiple times (here: once)

In a Crowdfundign Campaings you have, as a supporter, several options if you see that the funding goal is in danger of not getting reached:
- Contribute again/more
- Help reaching more people who contribute

In my experience much of the dynamic of Crowdfunding Campaigns stems from these possibilities. A pattern that happens a lot is that as much as half of the funding sum is collected in the last week/close before deadline, because people choose to use these possibilities (and because of increased communication). With the request, we could introduce one of those possibilities and make it more likely that we reach the goal.

For me personally the I am willing to give depends a lot on how critical my contribution is to making the event happen which depends on how much we collect.

How:
Not sure. Could either be actually changing what people initially indicated as their ticket price. Or maybe just as a donation round, that counts into the "crowdfunding".

Alternative:
Make everybody indicate two ticket prices
1) Price that feels perfectly comfortable
2) Prive I'd be willing to give if the event depends on it.

Maybe the alternative is even easier to implement and achieves the same goal.

I think If anything is to be done here I think @Alina, also known as Milda! ‘S idea in the other thread of the progress bar to a full event is likely the most effective way to encourage higher contribution. I would volunteer to quickly design this, but it’s likely pretty obvious. As they adjust their preferred ticket price they could see how this effects the overall goal.

Requests:

• If people choose the freely set ticket price, it would be very nice to also have a comment field, where people are asked how they get to the number that they will actually pay. This serves them to think more about how much they give, and it gives us valuable insight in how people perceive and choose how much they give. ("Please share with us why you choose this level of contribution:")

• "Low income" implemented at 80 EUR. Lower values can always easily be chosen with the field below.

@Franzi As I understand it, and what I shared with @Alexxx, is that this is a totally standard ticket sale with the following differences:

• Each participant chooses their own ticket price

• If the total ticket prices added together don't reach a minimum, nobody pays anything

• At the time of sale, tickets are non transferrable, with the proviso that this might change

Tax wise, etc, there's no change to previous years. Arguably the ticket sale perhaps happens a bit earlier in the year, but there's no legal / tax implication of that which I'm aware of.

Hey @Callum Macdonald, @Alexxx mentioned yesterday that you are sharing with him this detailed document that he will discuss with the Steuerberater. Can you please also share this with me? I am happy to look through it and give it a structured legal review

@Franzi @Jan Thomas I understand you guys have some experience with regards to legal matters. If you wish to request any specific changes to the ticket process, please share them here and I'll do my best to integrate them. The ticket sale is essentially identical to previous years, just earlier, and with each participant setting their own price.